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jedinein 07-24-2007 07:13 PM

There is nothing preventing you from starting another business. My clients had to go through an average of three businesses each before they found the one that made 'em millions.

Spartan07 07-24-2007 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by Pilotpip (Post 201649)
If his employer were to cut his position he could bump somebody based on lower seniortiy but this wouldn't apply to say, Boeing as well...

Ugh, Talk about a complicated union/seniority system. A lot of my family is either involved now or at one time was involved with Boeing. Every time a layoff or strike rolls around I get to hear all about how it works and I still haven't the foggiest idea of what the hell is going on over there (Especially with the Spirit Aerosystems buyout and such).

AV8ER 07-25-2007 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by JJSmooth (Post 201143)
AV8ER
I guess you don't have much feedback to offer. I didn't post this to start some sort of pi$$ing match. By the way, I have read Flying the Line. I presume most pilots have a type A personality. I was curious how many people in this profession no longer felt like sitting around and waiting for good things to happen. I personally feel the need to be proactive towards my goals. I have a feeling there are many of you that feel the same way.
My problem is bigger than just the seniority system which a couple of you have chosen to focus on. The overall decisions of where this industry is going as far as pay, quality of service (example Jet Airways service vs. Southwest) mergers government intervention (TSA & DHS) ect. We are pretty much at the mercy of management the government, and our fellow aviators when it comes to our future. To clarify the comment on fellow aviators I meant as far as what wages people will work for.
Again I enjoy my job but I can't bear the idea of being out of control of my own destiny any longer.

I was just stating that thats the way it was, it is, and it will be. If you need another challenge, or feel the need to be proactive towards your goals, you have to look elswhere, as others have said.

McNasty 07-26-2007 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by JJSmooth (Post 201143)
AV8ER
I guess you don't have much feedback to offer. I didn't post this to start some sort of pi$$ing match. By the way, I have read Flying the Line. I presume most pilots have a type A personality. I was curious how many people in this profession no longer felt like sitting around and waiting for good things to happen. I personally feel the need to be proactive towards my goals. I have a feeling there are many of you that feel the same way.
My problem is bigger than just the seniority system which a couple of you have chosen to focus on. The overall decisions of where this industry is going as far as pay, quality of service (example Jet Airways service vs. Southwest) mergers government intervention (TSA & DHS) ect. We are pretty much at the mercy of management the government, and our fellow aviators when it comes to our future. To clarify the comment on fellow aviators I meant as far as what wages people will work for.
Again I enjoy my job but I can't bear the idea of being out of control of my own destiny any longer.

quit......

JoeyMeatballs 07-26-2007 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by Freightpuppy (Post 201161)
Yes and no.

I felt like I was waiting like you do but I never, ever, not in a million years considered getting out of the industry.

I can understand how you feel because I went through the waiting and now I am watching my fiancee "wait". For me, it has been worth it so far. I finally got to where I am going to stay at and I finally feel like I can enjoy my life without waiting for the next thing (of course I don't take things for granted, I know I can lose my job). I never really thought about being a pilot the way you do. What I mean by that is that your life is out of your control. I'll probably have a few panic attacks in the next few weeks pondering that one (I'm not being sarcastic either). :) Good luck in whatever you end up doing. It's not worth going through life not completely happy.

Why cant you get your man a job at UPS?

HercDriver130 07-26-2007 05:22 PM

Here is my 2 pennies worth. I flew/and will fly because I loved it since I was 10... ( 44 now ).... 6 years flying the HERC in the AF.... then nearly another 3 for AE..... left aviation due to my wife being diagnosed with cancer and i needed to be around to help care for my then 4 year old daughter. Could have probably gone back 3 years after that but didnt... tooo comfortable etc..... but EVERY day that went by i knew I had made a mistake. NOW... 13 years later... and probably way behind the curve... I am going to make another run at this crazy bizness...... I was asked 10,000 times if I was asked once...do you miss it..... I always said no.... but i knew deep down I was lying to myself and my family. Losing my home 2 years ago due to a natural disaster woke me up....life is short... do what makes you happy... the rest can be worked out....so i rebuilt my home.... and now I am gonna rebuild what I was meant to do....

If you love it...really love it.. you will find a way....if you dont.... even the money of a mainline career wont make you happy..... either way do what will make you happy for the rest of your life... .. you dont want to be that OLD bastard captain who the FO's hate because YOU hate your job and take it out on them.... just my opinion.....flame away.

contrails 07-26-2007 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by HercDriver130 (Post 203052)
Here is my 2 pennies worth. I flew/and will fly because I loved it since I was 10... ( 44 now ).... 6 years flying the HERC in the AF.... then nearly another 3 for AE..... left aviation due to my wife being diagnosed with cancer and i needed to be around to help care for my then 4 year old daughter. Could have probably gone back 3 years after that but didnt... tooo comfortable etc..... but EVERY day that went by i knew I had made a mistake. NOW... 13 years later... and probably way behind the curve... I am going to make another run at this crazy bizness...... I was asked 10,000 times if I was asked once...do you miss it..... I always said no.... but i knew deep down I was lying to myself and my family. Losing my home 2 years ago due to a natural disaster woke me up....life is short... do what makes you happy... the rest can be worked out....so i rebuilt my home.... and now I am gonna rebuild what I was meant to do....

If you love it...really love it.. you will find a way....if you dont.... even the money of a mainline career wont make you happy..... either way do what will make you happy for the rest of your life... .. you dont want to be that OLD bastard captain who the FO's hate because YOU hate your job and take it out on them.... just my opinion.....flame away.

GO FOR IT.

Best of luck! :cool:

maximaman 07-26-2007 06:22 PM

I second that! I think if you truly love something and can take the good with the bad you will become successful. Of course success has a different meaning to everyone but I'm sure that you willl find what makes you happy whether its flying or not.

Freightpuppy 07-26-2007 11:42 PM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 203031)
Why cant you get your man a job at UPS?

I am not that important. I'm just a number. Besides, he is a white male, so he needs 20,000 hours to get hired. It will take at least another 20 years for him to get that kind of time.

JoeyMeatballs 07-27-2007 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by Freightpuppy (Post 203281)
I am not that important. I'm just a number. Besides, he is a white male, so he needs 20,000 hours to get hired. It will take at least another 20 years for him to get that kind of time.

haha wow thats crazy, I thought for sure if you had a family member working there, especially a spouse you were a shoe in, oh well. I would have a hard time if my wife was with a better airline than me, good for you guys.

PS My G/F probably my wife in a yera or two will probably always make more money than me so I guess its the same thing, I think its sexy when the women makes more :)


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