mesaba flow through???
 

does mesaba have a flow through/back with NWA now? does anyone have the details.

I know their's one at compass and heard rumors about mesaba...

Yes we do...its basically a one for one agreement. They can only flow back asmany as we flow to them. NWA is hurting for pilots right now...should be interesting how things pan out between XJ and Compass flowing pilots up to them!

Too bad it will be 2 1/2 years before any flow up occurs. I know at Compass the avg. flight time of new hires is VERY high. Personally, I am questioning my decision to go to Compass now (Aug. class date) if NWA is hiring as of yesterday. Not too sure I want to flow up to anywhere that's been hiring for a couple years straight... Someone cheer me up. I'm losing my mind!

Personally, I wouldn't touch anything with a red tail unless I lived in and was totally in love with ANC, SEA, MEM, MSP or DTW. It'll just be a matter of time before NWA's over-compensated, under-talented management comes looking for another ass to rape and I'd just as soon be nowhere near the place. Something about those who are not familiar with history being doomed to repeat it...or something to that effect?

[QUOTE=freezingflyboy;201771]Personally, I wouldn't touch anything with a red tail unless I lived in and was totally in love with ANC, SEA, MEM, MSP or DTW. It'll just be a matter of time before NWA's over-compensated, under-talented management comes looking for another ass to rape and I'd just as soon be nowhere near the place. Something about those who are not familiar with history being doomed to repeat it...or something to that effect?[/QUOTE]

at first I thought you were talking about CAL and ExpressJet...what is it 2 1/2 years before another 25% can be taken away?

is that for any flow through our just compass', because mesaba and pinnicle have 30 month employees?

exactly. that flow through is a benifit to the mainline guys, not mesaba or compass. so i would not even be looking at that as a benifit if i wanted to go to mesaba or compass.

Compass has the 30 month requirement for time on property before I flow up can occur. I do not know the terms of Mesaba's flow. And your mention of Pinnacle is the first I've heard of that. I don't think they have such an agreement there.

As far as Mesaba's agreement goes, I have heard the following (I don't know if anything has been final finalized yet...):

1) I believe the 30 month employment clause is there, which would already cover the vast majority of XJ employees.

2) You must be a Captain (no time limit, it could even be just for 1 day).

3) Starting in the beginning of next year, the flow up is limited to just 3 a month. Eventually it works its way up to (I think) 10 a month.

4) Flow downs can never be more than the amount which have flowed up.

The bigger question is will XJ Captains be able to apply to NWA outside of the flow agreement? I hear NWA will start hiring next month or so.

i never mentioned pinnacle, we don't have a flow through or even preferential hiring.

Not really sure what you're getting at here... I don't really think we got whipsawed by CAL. They said "do it for this" we said "go F&%K yourselves". Which is how it should be. In all reality, if CAL removes more airplanes from their CPA it releases ExpressJet from a lot of contractual hog-ties. And with so many companies tired of bottom feeders like Mesa, I would not be surprised if those airplanes found homes as soon as they were released, either on the branded side, the charter side or with another CPA at another carrier. If CAL wants to keep the airplanes working for them, thats fine too. Honestly, I think CAL learned their lesson with the Cha-bacle. Colgan with those Q400s up in EWR is another sh!t storm waiting to happen. I think CAL will be thinking long and hard about turning down our services again.

smisik (sp) has stated that CAL wants 3-4 regional flying for them, and he wasn't talking about props either.

whippsawed??? you lost 25% or your CAL flying because you wouldn't do it cheaper. if CAL is hog tieing you guys why not just get more airplanes to do what you want to.

and just so you know i hope you don't lose more flying but it won't suprise me it it happens.

I'm not sure you're getting it...Our management DID NOT allow our company to get whipsawed (Whipsawed = being played off against another carrier where you each lower your bid in order to secure flying, generally at the expense of the regional and its employees and for the benefit of the mainline carrier and its shareholders). CAL said we want you to do it cheaper or we are bringing in another carrier to do our flying. XJT management said this is our price. Don't like it? Go F&%K yourself!. Er go...NO whipsawing occurred. And its not like we LOST flying, its just on our own terms now, not CAL's. And its not doing so badly either. The charter stuff is a cash cow, the branded stuff is doing better than any one expected and Delta can't get their hands on enough airplanes. So please, explain to me how a "whipsaw" occurred.

CAL has 3-4 regionals flying for them right now (XJT, CHQ, Colgan, Commutair). Having 3-4 jet regionals might have originally been the idea cooked up by Bean Counter Larry and his herd of morons but I don't know that they will stick to that plan after the melt down that was CHQ here in Houston. It was a mess operationally because CAL is used to a seamless system between XJT and mainline where they have a lot of operational control and we know how each other operate (because we operate the same way). They don't have that with CHQ and it has cost CAL dearly, both in term of money and customer satisfaction.

If CAL releases another 25% of the fleet from the CPA, it REMOVES several hog ties in the current CPA with CAL such as a non-compete clause which would allow us to fly into CLE, EWR and IAH for other carriers, it would allow us to charge different carriers different rates (right now Delta is paying the same rate for us as CAL is) and it would allow us to have more than 10 airplanes in another CPA with another carrier (thats why 10 of Delta's planes are CPA and the other 8 are in a revenue sharing agreement).

here you go. CAL came in a said do it cheaper or we're taking 25% of your flying. you said no and lost the flying to someone who would do it cheaper. whether you lowered the cost or not is a mute point because you still lost the flying. you found somewhere else to put those airplanes, just like everyone else who has been whipsawed but you still lost the flying.

smisiks comments were made in the past year and they said they knew there would be "growing pain" with doing it but in the long run it would benefit CAL in case something would happen in a single carrier type operation which expressjet used to be. think of comair and the strike in cinnci. if you think airline management is going to do the right thing they wouldn't have sold off expressjet in the first place.

do you really think losing another 25% of your flying is worth the 3 extra airports you get to fly into with another company?