cause you guys didn't pick up that MCO flying from another well known delta connection carrier...

get used to the fact that all of our managements switch our flying around all the time. Ask all the Freedom MCO guys if they'd like to go back to CLT?!?! or even DCA (which you guys do now too)

never take out your aggression to the pilots... we are all in the same sinking canoe. The managements are the problem... which Mesa is trying desperately to fix...

PS i have never met a bad chautauqua crew, everyone has been awesome down there.

 

Mesa pilots are also a problem for staying there and taking that reaming that you receive daily.

 

What he said...

 

So what is keeping you at Chautauqua?? Shouldn't you have left for Comair a long time ago?!?!

 

Ya know what dude, this is the most ignorant thing I have seen posted on this thread so far. Do your freakin homework before you insult me or my pilot group. Year to July, Mesa has lost 450 pilots, roughly half of whom are junior FO's making lateral moves. Since July, my global # has gone from 800 (July 3rd) to 780 (today, Sept 5). Those are the guys and gals senior to me moving on... I don't have the official numbers for the junior ones for that time frame.

Its telling that you can judge an entire group of professionals with the wave of your hand. Very pretentious. Must be nice to live in the lap of luxury over there at fantasy-land airlines or whatever make believe operation you work for.



(Oh, and for the record this "smiley-face" means ****sed off)

 

what he said...

 

So let me get this straight...You work for a company you know has terrible work rules and treats their employees like crap. You know that half of all the people that walk through the door get in and make a lateral move as soon as they can. Finally, you know that your company will still break the crappy contract you had to accept to get the Alter-Ego Freedom on to your list. Yet...knowing all this you still went to work there and are surprised at the criticism?

 

Well, at the time I got on with Mesa nobody else was really hiring. It was post 9-11 and it was a different time then- we all had seen our careers go up in smoke over the Pentagon and the Twin Towers. United, Northwest and Delta all came crashing down too. The economy was in the post dot-com depression. So yea, I took the job when they offered- I had dropped too much of my own cash and that of my parents into the career to just fade away into the shadows (I finished the Commercial Multi about a week before the attack). In all honesty, I was probably not good enough nor was I experienced enough to get on with Skywest at the time either... So yea, I took the job when they offered.

Today, the market is wide open- in a year it is going to be desperation city. In fact, PSA I just heard is preventing J4J guys from going back to mainline because they can't keep their aircraft staffed. They are parking planes. Mesa will be doing the same soon in my prediction.
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But I still say your criticism of the PILOT GROUP does not hold water- Mesa will pay 18-20 MILLION to replace the pilots it has lost this year (1000/hour in the sim with 40 hours total training time- and that is IF they don't need extra lessons, and I can tell you from first-hand knowledge that new-hires are taking an average of 12 or more lessons to get through). So, the best way to hurt Mesa is to get hired here, ride out 6 months to a year getting experience, and then make a lateral move to a better regional.

Walk a mile in my shoes dude. I doubt you have a clue what it is like to work at this hell hole. I have been fairly sheltered from it- ORD, IAD and JFK are a total MESS, and we don't really get pay protected. So yea, I get defensive when somebody out there makes a shallow statement about my pilot brothers and sisters. We work hard here at Mesa, and we get walked over all the time. Our contract is up soon- if you want to be part of the problem, keep on slinging mud at us and HELP management drive us down. You want to get on the bus? When you hear of a Mesa picket line come out and join us. You see a Mesa pilot in the terminal? Say "Hi", flash a smile and give us some dang support.

 

Hey Sport, what part of no pay protection, 25 hour over nights, 4:55min scheduled sits (so they don't have to get you a room) among many various contract violations make this such a great place for you to be critical of anyone else?

 

ERJ Nice reply - I totally get it.

You are so right about not kicking a dog when they are down.

If Mesa folded there would be a glut of pilots for a while... would that not slow the industry hiring for a while?

Keep at it.