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cbire880 09-05-2007 08:17 PM

True, but there is a big difference from a trained commerical pilot doing type specific training in a sim then jumping in the real thing and an ab initio candidate spending the majority of their time in the sim from day one. You'd better have the basic decision making skills down before you show up for 142 type training. I'd be worried about someone who has never flown any appreciable time in a real aircraft before. Its the same argument as the 250 hour airline pilot. Sure they can push the buttons and move the levers, but can they handle the real time decision making process when their butt is really on the line?

Dash8Pilot 09-05-2007 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by Outlaw2097 (Post 225921)
Im wrapping up my flight training prior to CFI and my training has been Part 142 based so far.

The question I pose is if anyone in particular tends to look down on people who have been learning to fly mostly by sim as opposed to the real thing.

Anyone else been in the same boat?

The only way in which part 142 will hurt you is in having a lower total time since time in FTDs doesn't count as flight time. Having instructed both part 141 and part 142, I think part 142 if can be better if you have a good instructor. The sim allows a lot of flexibility that the airplane does not, and it can be to your advantage if your instructor knows how to utilize it properly.

For example, the FTD is really valuable for emergency procedures and some aspects of decision making. I'd be insane to give you an engine failure at rotation in a Seminole, but I can do it in the Seminole FTD and see how you handle the situation. I had several students who had briefed that they would land if runway was available and gear down, but when I failed the engine, they struggled to gain altitude trying to fly even though they had 5,000 feet of runway in front of them. As an instructor, I could run through a lot of system failures and other bizzare scenarios which were impossible to duplicate in the airplane. Instead of asking you how you would handle a given situation, I could put you in that situation and watch what you do.

The worst aspects I saw of 142 were radio procedures and situational awareness. By the time you have a CFI these shouldn't be problems for you.

rickair7777 09-06-2007 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by 172capt (Post 226306)
Its hurting real bad knowing I spent good money to use a sim for 142 when i could have used it to buy more multi time.........:mad:


That's the whole problem with 141 (and 142) training...the schools give you less real airplane time (because that costs the school money) but still charge high fees. The student pays the same (or often more) to get his ratings, but ends with less real airplane time than a part 61 student!

If you look at the hiring eligibility requirements for any regional airline, they are ALL based on actual flight time in a real airplane.

ExperimentalAB 09-06-2007 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by cbire880 (Post 226324)
Sure they can push the buttons and move the levers, but can they handle the real time decision making process when their butt is really on the line?

Even better -when there are 50+ lives on the line...


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