Originally Posted by Quagmire (Post 227800)

That is one of the most idiotic statements that I have read in a long time.

Originally Posted by Quagmire (Post 227800)

That is one of the most idiotic statements that I have read in a long time.

Originally Posted by MS1095 (Post 227625)

this will be my first 121 job and i have been offered both places. im having a hard time deciding where to go, i live near ORD which would mean commuting with RAH to indy or STL. what are the crash pads like in indy or STL? any info on eagle would be good are the upgrade times coming down. any info on either would be great the good and the bad.

Originally Posted by robthree (Post 227876)

Eagle upgrades will be, if not on par with RAH's, much closer, by the time you get ready to upgrade.

Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 227957)

I'll put money on the fact that Eagle's upgrades aren't going to look like RAH's anytime soon. Secondly it's easy to get 14-15 days off a month even if junior. I'm currently holding 15 days off. There is no junior manning and yes the upgrade at RAH should hold considering we just lost 33 more guys this month. I'm moving up fast.

Originally Posted by robthree (Post 227876)

Living in base makes all the difference in the world.


In ORD you will not sit reserve as soon as there is anybody junior to you. The latest perm bid is calling for 95 ORD ERJ FOs. In other words, Eagle has about 25% fewer FOs in ORD then they need. You will fly, fly, fly.


Historical upgrade times are like historical stock prices, past results do not guarantee future performance. RAH's 19 mo upgrade will only stay that low if they continue to experience the same level of attrition and growth that they have for the last 2 years. Eagles' upgrade times will drop by 2 years overnight very soon. There were no Eagle new hires between 9/01 and March of 04(?) (Somewhere about that time frame anyway.) Eagle has not grown, and is not likely to in the near term. Attrition is accelerating. Flowbacks are being recalled to AA. Flowthroughs have won arbitration and so will also be going up to AA. The Legacy carriers are hiring Eagle FO's. Point being, today's gap in upgrade times is unlikely to remain. Eagle upgrades will be, if not on par with RAH's, much closer, by the time you get ready to upgrade.

Eagle has a minimum of 12 days off for lineholders. Practically speaking, you should hold a line with 14-15 days off in short order. I've never been Jr. Manned, except on a weather day where they couldn't get me home before I timed out. 14:30 max duty day. 10:00 off in base. No trip rigs, but that's not currently an issue - schedules are very productive due to tight staffing. Hotels are middle of the road. Mostly just OK. A few really good, a couple not so hot. No training contract, if you don't like it you can leave. Pass bennies are OK - fees variable by mileage; BOS-DFW is about 15ow Coach, 35 First. Unlimited passes for you, spouse, & dependents. Limited for parents. After 2 years limited buddy passes are available. Medical is standard HMO type, available either on day 1 or after 30 days. 401k matching.

Eagle is not a bad place to be right now. Unless you really like to sit in the back of airplanes, and enjoy sharing a room with 14 other guys, I'd pick EGL over a commute.

Originally Posted by Lbell911 (Post 227963)

Ask him to "look online" at his Eagle website and post the most recent seniorty for CPT Upgrades, for this month......It should be around 11/1999! (Someone help me out here, but isn't RAH loosing guys/gals being recalled for the J4J's too?)

Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 227966)

AE upgrade is 11/99, yes its a long time. RAH has somewhere around 30-50 J4J piots, AE has approx 200 AA flowbacks left to be recalled, and then 400 AE CAs with AA seniority numbers, then 400+ AE CAs who have elected to flowthrough and are awaiting a seniority number. So the potential for 1000+ CAs to leave in the future.