mccube5

made perfect sense when i read it, and has some validity in its roots.

ToiletDuck

Would have been but I think you missed the word DON'T. I know your line of thinking and he's only backing it. Simple mistake bro.

Regardless of what aircraft you get I honestly believe RAH is a much better company.

robthree

Living in base makes all the difference in the world.


In ORD you will not sit reserve as soon as there is anybody junior to you. The latest perm bid is calling for 95 ORD ERJ FOs. In other words, Eagle has about 25% fewer FOs in ORD then they need. You will fly, fly, fly.


Historical upgrade times are like historical stock prices, past results do not guarantee future performance. RAH's 19 mo upgrade will only stay that low if they continue to experience the same level of attrition and growth that they have for the last 2 years. Eagles' upgrade times will drop by 2 years overnight very soon. There were no Eagle new hires between 9/01 and March of 04(?) (Somewhere about that time frame anyway.) Eagle has not grown, and is not likely to in the near term. Attrition is accelerating. Flowbacks are being recalled to AA. Flowthroughs have won arbitration and so will also be going up to AA. The Legacy carriers are hiring Eagle FO's. Point being, today's gap in upgrade times is unlikely to remain. Eagle upgrades will be, if not on par with RAH's, much closer, by the time you get ready to upgrade.

Eagle has a minimum of 12 days off for lineholders. Practically speaking, you should hold a line with 14-15 days off in short order. I've never been Jr. Manned, except on a weather day where they couldn't get me home before I timed out. 14:30 max duty day. 10:00 off in base. No trip rigs, but that's not currently an issue - schedules are very productive due to tight staffing. Hotels are middle of the road. Mostly just OK. A few really good, a couple not so hot. No training contract, if you don't like it you can leave. Pass bennies are OK - fees variable by mileage; BOS-DFW is about 15ow Coach, 35 First. Unlimited passes for you, spouse, & dependents. Limited for parents. After 2 years limited buddy passes are available. Medical is standard HMO type, available either on day 1 or after 30 days. 401k matching.

Eagle is not a bad place to be right now. Unless you really like to sit in the back of airplanes, and enjoy sharing a room with 14 other guys, I'd pick EGL over a commute.

ToiletDuck

I'll put money on the fact that Eagle's upgrades aren't going to look like RAH's anytime soon. Secondly it's easy to get 14-15 days off a month even if junior. I'm currently holding 15 days off. There is no junior manning and yes the upgrade at RAH should hold considering we just lost 33 more guys this month. I'm moving up fast.

Flyby1206

I am out of touch with their current fleet plans, but how many more a/c are awaiting delivery for RAH? Assume 5 upgrades per a/c to be delivered, you can get an idea of how many more upgrades due to expansion will be ahead. RAH has had some incredible expansion in the past few years, but I really don't know how long that can continue. There just physically aren't many more airlines they can contract service to.

Lbell911

Ask him to "look online" at his Eagle website and post the most recent seniorty for CPT Upgrades, for this month......It should be around 11/1999! (Someone help me out here, but isn't RAH loosing guys/gals being recalled for the J4J's too?)

Flyby1206

AE upgrade is 11/99, yes its a long time. RAH has somewhere around 30-50 J4J piots, AE has approx 200 AA flowbacks left to be recalled, and then 400 AE CAs with AA seniority numbers, then 400+ AE CAs who have elected to flowthrough and are awaiting a seniority number. So the potential for 1000+ CAs to leave in the future.

DLAJ77

that might take 10 years

careerpilot

AA is already short and recalling as fast as possible. AMR has always been reactive to industry trends. Everyone else is hiring and I believe you will see hiring at AA with in the next two years. Just my opinion. I personally interviewed at RAH and Eagle. I found Eagles facilites and operation to be far surperior to RAH again my opinion.

ToiletDuck

RAH is has around 80jrj guys that are going. They are also losing about 30 a month to attrition. They are also expanding and trying to get captains as fast as possible. Currently the only limitation is the sim space.