this little airline called big sky uses MICROSOFT EXCEL to do all that work, amazing!!!

after talking to some more people and looking further into it it seems rickair has hit the nail on the head, shocking :D. i cant fly into friday since before then i dont have 24 hours rest from 12 am saturday. with the 24 in 7 it starts essentially from 12 am your first day. i was thinking along the lines of the 24 hour lookback to find your 8 9 or 10 hour rest.

thanks rick for the educated resonse as usual.

wrong, deadheading counts as duty. therefore, you cannot show up for a deadhead 7hrs after completing duty the day before. you can show up 8hrs (assuming less than 8hrs of flight time the day before), but you will be on reduced rest. you cannot do a deadhead home on day 7, as that is duty and would voilate the 24hrs off in 7 rule.

now, you could do a part 91 repo flight after completing 8hrs of 121 flying, and that is cool, assuming you do not go over the 16hr duty day.

remember, the legal rest starts and ends when you go off or come on duty. not when you start/stop logging flight time.

also, most union contracts state the the 24hrs off must be a calander day, and must be in domicile. (i pity those that don't have that rule)

No, you're wrong. This is what I was talking about before...the FAA does not care what the company does to you after you cease 121 flying. You DO NOT need rest FOLLOWING 121 duty...there is no such requirement. You only need to meet the rest requirements if you have 121 flying in your future.

The only grey area in all the duty rules is the wording on compensatory rest...the FAA did not intend to do this, but they worded the rule such that it sounds like you must be released for compensatory rest regardless of whether you are flying, or doing non-flying duty.


Wrong again. As long as the 121 flying is behind you, the duty time limit does not apply.

Remember the FAA does not care if you get any rest AFTER 121 flying.

I have to go with Rickair on this one. The 24/7 rule only applies to 121 flying time and not duty time (see part 121.471). You can be assigned to any other duty such as training, deadhead etc. as long as you can find 24 consecutive hours free of duty in 7 calender days before resuming 121 flying.

In terms of duty day, if you were to engage in part 91 flying prior to 121 flying, that flight time must be counted towards the 16 hour max duty day (projected prior to wheels up). However, if you are assigned part 91 flying after 121 flying, you are permitted to exceed the 16 hour duty day as long as any duty past 16 hours is not 121 and that your combined part 121 and 91 duty time is not projected to be over 18 hours. That part 91 flying is still "other commercial flying" and has to be accounted for in rest between duty periods and monthly/yearly flight time calculations

Just my interpretation...

DAMN..... I think rick stays up nights reading the FAR's....LOL

i stand corrected

it may be legal. not right, but legal (see Mesa)

True that. I spent a couple years on reserve there, that's how I know all this crap.

All you need to do is drop the F-bomb. Fatigued! Worked like a champ for me there.