guys wanna get some input on an issue i came across.

the requirement for 24 hours of rest in a 7 day period.

if you duty on at 1950 on Saturday and duty off at 900 the following Friday is that legal?

scheduling here is telling me it doesnt matter what time i dutied on Saturday its looked at as a day 1, so it mine as well have been 500 in the morning.

im looking at 121.471(d) and it just says 24 consecutive hours nothing about a day 1 day 7 thing.

let me get your input so i can square this away.

 

The way I read it is it's a continuously rolling 7 days. So, it's essentially 24 consecutive hours away from duty in a 168 hour stretch of time. So, if I did my math correctly, without a 24 hour break during that week, you'd be legal as long as you're scheduled to duty off by 1950 on Friday.

 

Interesting.

It is a continuously moving clock. You must be able to look back 7 days and find at least 24 hours of consecutive rest.

And yes, your scenario is legal- as long as you can look back and have 24 hours of rest AT ALL TIMES.

 

with sabre and crewtrac, its my understanding that these programs cant be tricked and all sorts of flags get raised if anyone pushes rest or duty limitations. i dont know which companies out there dont uses these types of systems im sure they all do by now

 

It is my understanding that you can report at 0700 on Saturday and work until 2359 on Friday. Maybe that is all what you are saying but I dont know.

 

For the seven day thing, you look back 7 calander days including today. Somewhere in there you need to find 24 hours of consecutive rest. In your case Friday is day seven, so you would need a 24 hour break somewhere during that week. Otherwise you are done at 2359 on Thursday.


HOWEVER, This is a huge concept that is apparently very difficult for many folks to understand: The FAA duty rules are there ONLY to prevent you from flying 121 airplanes while fatigued. They are NOT there to ensure that the company lets you get enough beauty rest. For this reason the FAA rules ONLY apply if you are doing 121 flying IN THE FUTURE. If you are done with 121 flying, the company can legally deadhead you, put on reserve, send you to training, make you fly a 91 repo leg, make you mop the bathroom floor, etc.

If for example you finished flying on Thurs. night at 2300, went to a hotel for 7 hours, came back to deadhead home, that would be legal...you finished your 121 flying on Thursday.

 

No, you can't. Friday is day seven. You can only work six calandar days without a 24 hour break.

The rule is bizzare in that the lookback period is 7 calandar days (not 168 hours) but the rest requirement is 24 hours (not 1 calandar day).

 

Rickair, Thats what I meant....I guess I have problems counting and spelling.

 

Rick gives the best info on this forum!

Perhaps we could make a new sub-forum in the regional section called "Ask Rickair." Im being totally serious

 

I love it when you chime in on these rest requirements because I swear NO ONE knows these things ....its a wonder more ppl don't get violated. Of course I completely agree with everything posted.