Mesa Mesa Mesa...the standard of the industry
10-03-2007, 03:17 AM
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BTW, off topic, number of hours of IOE is kind of meaningless. A better metric would be number of segments. When I was on IOE, we did a ferry flight from COS-ORD which blocked nearly 5 hours, much of it on the ground in ORD getting to the hangars. Wasted time on the ground doesn't help much....
10-03-2007, 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by HercDriver130
All business leaders are that way Saab..... I dont give a crap what country they are from.
At least some of the worst of the crooks (Enron, Worldcom, etc) have been packed off to die in jail.
10-03-2007, 06:21 AM
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It just seems worse here b/ce the system doesn't protect them when they are exposed. We don't have a formal aristocracy to protect the "golden ones." If they tick off the shareholders, they tend to burn at the stake here.
10-03-2007, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
When do ya'll think enough becomes enough, and then becomes ridiculous (regarding hours on IOE, that is)? My numbers:
TSA: ~28 hours
SKW ~40 hours (extra time is only the result of better paying trips ;-P LoL)
TSA: ~28 hours
SKW ~40 hours (extra time is only the result of better paying trips ;-P LoL)
Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
I've heard Mesa's FO's are routinely taking 80 hours on IOE...they're not hiring any more low-timers than the likes of TSA etc. Why the vast difference, then?
10-03-2007, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ERJ Driver
Watch yourself there dude... you are treading on VERY thin ice. An apology is in order. Ya never know who you are communicating with on these forums... talking smack about the company is one thing, its rank-and-file is something else. We pilots need to stick together, especially considering the challenges facing us with contract talks coming up.
10-03-2007, 10:00 AM
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I didn't mean to say that they actually do suck hence the "possibly" at the beginning of the sentence. But I have heard from various people, some who work there that the turmoil hasn't been completely limited to management.
Also I said "Overall it doesn't really matter how long it takes as long as the product at the end of OE is a safe competent pilot."
Didn't mean to step on any toes so for that I apologize.
Also I said "Overall it doesn't really matter how long it takes as long as the product at the end of OE is a safe competent pilot."
Didn't mean to step on any toes so for that I apologize.
10-03-2007, 11:45 AM
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I was underwhlemed by the mesa training program as a new hire. Ground school was disorganized and ineffective, nice folks but not too motivated. Sim was good, but the instructor was a great guy. IOE was a non-event...I learned visual approaches, but other than that the checkairmen just read magazines in route. That was a number of years ago...I can't imagine it's gotten any better over there (my old sim instructor got PO'ed at the company and quit).
10-03-2007, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Washout
I didn't mean to say that they actually do suck hence the "possibly" at the beginning of the sentence. But I have heard from various people, some who work there that the turmoil hasn't been completely limited to management.
Also I said "Overall it doesn't really matter how long it takes as long as the product at the end of OE is a safe competent pilot."
Didn't mean to step on any toes so for that I apologize.
Also I said "Overall it doesn't really matter how long it takes as long as the product at the end of OE is a safe competent pilot."
Didn't mean to step on any toes so for that I apologize.
10-04-2007, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ERJ Driver
Thanks! I was in a funky mood yesterday anyhow, ended up that I sent some emails I wish I could unsend- heck, there is a lot of turmoil at Mesa and its enough to be fearing for your job from day to day... this lawsuit has some big implications, and if they declare bankruptcy I don't think we will see a contract for another 5 years. Plus, there will be another mega attrition sparked off- numerous months with 80+ resigning... we will probably lose a contract by the end of Dec. and it will probably be United. BNA, ORD or IAD... furloughs... dang, can I get any more doom and gloom? All I want to do is fly a plane around the lower 48, get paid a decent wage, have some humane work rules and some stability. Is that too much to ask? Obviously so.
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