Are compass pilots signing the training contract?
 

I heard you guys where refusing before, are newhires still not signing?

It is part of the ALPA contract. Read it. Every pilot at Compass is bound by it, that is why the separate sheet of paper was not required to be signed. Trust me, they didn't tell us not to sign it out of the goodness of their hearts.

so what about the guys now? Do they have to sign it?

No, like I said - by being on property and thus represented by ALPA, whatever is in the ALPA contract is what a pilot is governed by. In this example, there is mention of the training contract at $12K in the ALPA contract.

Mind you...I think it'd be much harder for the company to go after you for their 12k when it's just part of a CBA and the individual pilot didn't sign anything.

not to change the subject but what is the average upgrade time that they are telling you in the interview, is it pretty fast if you have as I do around 2600 hours an ATP and jet type rating or am I still pretty low time for them.

They're now hiring for seniority numbers over 180, and the intent is to staff the 36 ordered airplanes with 360 pilots, which means your upgrade would be completely dependent on attrition. Could be another 2 years until the first guys start flowing to NWA, assuming that happens. Long time to spend on our crappy FO wages.

It's over 180 now? I interviewed a couple weeks ago and they were telling us ~150 range.

Was at lunch with someone from HR last week and he mentioned ~180.

Yeah because you've got to figure that someone who interviews today probably won't get a class until 4 weeks from now because of the background check. So, 4 weeks from today could be 180 (I haven't seen an updated list yet to project #'s). But, if other things besides the PIC interest you in CPS, I'd say go for it because being #200 or less probably still gives you a good shot at the left seat by DEC08 because you've got to figure guys will leave considering the hiring that is going on elsewhere.

So don't sign the form in class? Just say NO Thank you? I think im just slow. When they tell us to sign just tell them no thanks?

No, they don't bring it up in class. They never mentioned it to my class or the class before us, or from what I hear any class for the last month or two. The company obviously believes they are covered by having the training contract in the CBA.

I took it home.....and used it for.....Well anyway that was months ago. I don't think they use it anymore ;).
It has been several weeks but the last list that I saw had 120 pilots listed...most were still in the pipeline. I think I am one of the more junior guys on the line and I started class in June. It is a LONG time to get through all their training events and IOE. I would say at least 3 months.

Don't hurry though because with only 15 lines (CA only no FO lines the company is using every flight for IOE) Their is ALOT of sitting RSV.

Aren't they covered by the CBA? I naturally assumed so. Can the training contract be enforced? If so, who would enforce it? Certainly not ALPA...

Well, I'm no lawyer and I won't pretend to be, but I personally think it'd be tough to enforce. By the time they're going after you, you're no longer covered by the CBA, so they couldn't go through the usual RLA channels; if they go through the courts, I think they'd have trouble holding you to an agreement you never signed.

4 weeks since my type ride and still no IOE.

Anyone know if we've made it into some of the major airlines CASS yet? Might as well do some traveling.

No new reciprocal agreements that I'm aware of.

The rainy season is just getting over in Thailand and the weather is relatively cool, resorts are empty, even cheaper than usual...pretty easy to get there on NWA :)

WOW - 4 weeks! You might have to fly the mighty stimulator once more before OE, but I know with you're mad piloting skills you don't need to!!!

Well old friend, I don't think I'll be doing that... but I hope it's going well for you! :) Mad - maybe, skilled - doubtful. Ha.

Don't worry guys...IOE will only take 2 months if your lucky....and after that maybe 1 or 2 days a month working......lots of time to spend all that money :rolleyes: