Eliminating Ignorance
 

Okay, here are some questions I, and some other uninitiated, have had:

What is:

an MEC (similar to a shop steward?)
Junior Manning
An Override

How can one get credited with more hours than actually flown?


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I finally learned how little I know

MEC= master executive council, your local airline leaders.

junior manning= supposedly the company starts at the bottom of the seniority lists and works its way up to find people to cover a flight that couldn't be covered. here at pinnacle you cannot refuse a juniorman assignment and you are paid 150 percent for doing it plus you get a comp day that they have to give you the next month. at skywest you can refuse a juniorman assignment.

override= not sure.

more credit than actual hours flown= at pinnacle we have high speeds, the call them stand-ups at skywest. these are the best way to describe it although there are several other ways of getting more credit than flown. ok now back to the example, at pinnacle if you do the tlh high speed, which is leave mem around 8 at night, and come back at 630 in the morning you are not able to get enough rest to do it legally. so they leave you on duty. depending on the high speed you may only fly 2-3 hours, but you will get a gauranteed amount no matter how much you fly. lets say the tlh is worth 2 hours of credit, but the guarantee is 3.75. that is what you get paid. this is just one example of how you can earn more than you fly.

Override usually refers to a pay bump of some kind. A check airman/LCA may receive for example a $15/hr override for doing OE/Line checks.

SOME pilots flying international may get an override on top of their hourly rate for doing so.

At some companies, being junior manned results in a 50% override. To tie this in, if you were junior manned for 4 hours of flying with 50% override, you just 6 hrs of pay for 4. More credit than actually flown.

At my previous employer, a high speed/standup/nap/CDO was worth half the duty time. If you showed at 20:00 and released at 08:00, you got 6 hours pay credit (12 hrs of duty time) for what usually never exceeded 3-3 1/2 hours of actual flying.

some airlines dont allow junior manning in their contracts (huge plus!)

and dont forget skywest gets a hefty "override" to fly the CRJ 700/900. sarcasm intended

And don't forget, other carriers like Mesa fly them for lower base-pay and NO "override."

sarcasm...intended.

junior man can ALWAYS be refused... if its your day off "i had a couple of beers with lunch/dinner. sorry"

Better yet, don't answer your phone on your day off ;)

Neither of those options works if they nail you on the last day of your trip for some extra flying on your day off...

Speaking of eliminating ignorance.....Do you speak of Capt pay or FO pay? Check the #'s. Now if you want to talk rigs well that's another deal, not "base-pay."

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/resou...070311214.html

Read the article, then check out the calculator at the bottom.

At most places, that situation is called a "re-assignment." A lot of people use the terms inter-changeably, though.

You can also use "extension" in there as well. But all of these mean different things contractually at most places. In the end, all of make you fly something other than what you might have been expecting.

Fair enough. We don't have "reassignments" in that meaning so I'm not familiar with the difference between that and junior manning. A "reassignment" for us has to be in the middle of a trip and can't go beyond 2 hours of our original duty out. I just figured anytime the company made you work on your day off, you were getting junior manned. Do you still get the 50% override if you get reassigned since it's your day off?

It would be nice to have a section that defines terms like the OP wanted to know to help people. Just another thing to set this forum apart from the other one.

I love it when they try to extend me into a day off. I always say, "Sure! I can bring my kids, right?" Haven't worked on a day off yet...

'Ahh, I'm also going to need you to go ahead and come in on Sunday, too...'

Yeah...Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiii....Its Bill Lumberg Again

TPS-reports?!?! I didn't get that Memo...

HAHA

Flair
 

Ah just wanted to let you know that we start at our normal time on Saturdays. It's not a half day or anything.

Whipsaw
 

What is the definition of whipsaw??? Anyone?

I believe that's where a company controls two groups of say, pilots, and uses the contract from one group to convince the others that they aren't getting the shaft. Usually one of the groups has a low amount of protection in their contract while the other is more protected.