WOW, this place is starting to look like flightinfo!

are you currently at a 121 carrier or are you just getting started. i understand your reason for wanting to be successful, but you really should believe everyone on this board when they say the term Chief Pilot is very misleading. Its one thing to be THE chief pilot for the entire airline, but being "A" chief pilot makes you nothing more than a station manager.

I suggest you show the world your success through other avenues. being a pilot doesnt impress anyone, and being a pilot who manages other pilots, well... you get my point

Wow.

You are absolutely management material.

At CHQ he gets a credit of 100hrs per month at his current pay scale and must stay current in the aircraft.

Spoken like most of the officers I served with in the military. Attention to detail will get you far, both in the service as well as the airlines.

Wow; that's a really depressing thought.

eh i dunno timmay. i think we should all ease up on grammatical and spelling errors on this board. and yes, i know that "eh" and "dunno" are not real words. so anyway, back to explaining to him why being a CP would be a mistake...

No. It was before that. I didn't even try at Express. I did do the check airman thing, I was already instructing- why not get paid for it!:D

this is what makes a bad boss. Someone that defines THEIR job as success over others. Who clearly WANTS to be over people, reguardless of money made. Forget a 12 year 747 Capt. would make more, I need to be over him. Power is what I need. THAT is the sign of a bad boss who will live in a job hated. I personally would HATE to be hated by the same people you sat with on long flights, who you spent 10-20 years as friends. Pilots need to stick together. If bossing around the people you once called friends so to can feel impowered well then you have just met the definition of a bad boss.

Back on to your question, I would bet its just like any job. You can upgrade only so far until butt kissing and being someones little pet is needed. Find this point and switch friends.......THATS how you get to the level of VP, CP, etc.

Excuse my typing fast. But you see my poit. You bash on officers. You bash on cp's. I have seen other websites wher epeople bash management. I see a trend there. I mentor to youths and I tell them to always aim high and follow their dreams and never settle for anything less. Now you all maynot understand that, but thats the way Iwas raised and thats what I tell young people. So why bash peoples dreams?

BBBTW I used to be an NCO before Iwas officer. I thought I'd tell you that before you stereotype me in this little box. I mispell words onhere because I type fast, not because I cant spell. I think a lotof us do that and you know that> You justchoe to throw a shot at me. But like Isaid, I am not into insulting people. It just isnt thatserious to me. sorry.

Clearly, you're also unable to type quickly and accurately.

That pretty much sums up what i think a lot of people are viewing you as 24G. Well written. Kudos for serving in the military but i think civilian life may be difficult if you keep the same mentality of "i must be the leader". Go to work, go home and enjoy your family. Work should be just whatever pays the bills and affords you a comfortable lifestyle. Looking down on people who you think have less ambition then yourself is going to hurt you in the long run.

Doesn’t everybody want to be successful? MOTO. Anyway, here’s my two cents worth on your question about how one becomes a Chief Pilot.
At my airline, it seems that management RECRUITS management. That is, when there is an opening, someone from management approaches YOU and asks you to submit a resume. If you approach your job as if becoming a Chief Pilot is your goal, I think you’ll find, as others have already stated in this thread, that you’ll quickly be labeled as a management butt kisser…not a good place to be. You can want the job, but you have to act like it’s no big deal. Going the training and standards path is a good choice (also already mentioned in this thread) because it puts you in a small group of dedicated individuals who are demonstrating that they are willing to do a necessary job, for little extra benefit, simply because it needs to be done and they want to contribute to the bigger picture. That kinda sounds like what you intended by your remark about “not wanting to stay at one level.”

I think you'll find the job of just being a good (not just adequate) Captain pretty challenging.

So, did I help, or just confuse you more? :)

I need a mentor...

My parents told me I could be anything I wanted, so I became an a-hole!

So how long does it usually take a chief pilot to get where he is?

If you're one of those people who don't give a crud about what other people think of you...well expect to have no friends at work. That is the type of guy I will not go and have a drink with...or heck - even socialize with at all unless it is deemed completely, 100% necessary.

There is more to life than being succesfull on the Job. IMHO it's how you get there, not how far. You don't have to be the top-dog everywhere you go...Personally, I find it more fulfilling and satisfying to have good relationships with those I know and love...as well as those I work with.

Best of luck - with such an anti-social attitude you may need it.

Kind of like trying to get laid, then... ;)

Words of wisdom - every syllable!!

Exactly!:p

There are bros that hang at the bar and don't drink that's not the point. I have a life outside my job and don't need a label to feel successful, so I don't want to be a chief pilot. Why don't you get an airline job first, fly the line a bit and then post this question. The cart is way before the horse here. PS- the occasional typo or grammar error is fine, you do it consistently. Are you really that lazy?

THAT'S the saying I was trying to think of! Or counting his chickens before they're hatched. Or whatever.


24G, your spelling errors don't irritate us because we aren't capable of understanding that "lok" equals "look", they irritate us because they come at such a high rate that it shows a complete lack of respect for us, in that we're not even worth the basic proof read or spell check. Or that fantastic button I know as "BACKSPACE".

Go through some of my posts, you'll find that I've edited quite a few, often with the tag line "Editing Grammar and Whatnot" or something along those lines. I have a great deal of respect for all my colleagues on this board and I make sure that I show them the common courtesy of communicating at an educated level.

Bump. If someone wanted to become a Chief Pilot at their regional, what advice would you give to prepare for the job? Pointers could include how to interview for it, what type of experience one should have, etc. Thanks.

Mess up at mainline, crush the morale of the pilot group, backstab the union, hold disciplinary meetings that violate a CBA.

Instead of being a chief pilot, direct your efforts with the union and improving things for the pilot group.

Serious question, why would anyone ever want to be a chief pilot?

Why not?
Filler

For professional organizations...

They typically but not always want experienced captains, typically also check airmen. Usually people who have been around a while and have credibility. I have seen rare FO CP's, but they are typically going to be retired Colonels, or have some other heavy-hitter management experience at a previous job.

To work your way up from line pilot, get involved in the training dept. as an FO (ground and/or FTD instructor), then get LCA and/or sim instructor as a CA. You'll want your name and face to be known to the bosses (in a good way). Volunteer for anything that comes up on the company side, LOSA, etc. Union volunteer work might help too, but maybe not if you're leading the charge on something contentious (there are plenty of non-contentious things the union does too).


For some bottom feeders...

Decline to join the union. Suck up to managers. Or get elected to the MEC and sell out a major contract. Good things will come your way soon.

I think that's already been explained

In answer to the original question, look up FAR 119.67(b)

That's for for the regulatory CP position. Larger airlines (including regionals) have multiple non-regulatory CP positions (regional, base, base assistant, etc).

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This ^^^

Republic has hired a couple of CFIs as ACPs.

Thanks !
 

Thanks for letting me know, I had no idea !

In all fairness, and judging by the OP's posts, he would be great at that. He seems like the type of person who would kiss anybody's butt and backstab his peers to get to the top, no matter what it takes.

N6724G, don't take what I said above anything other then a serious response as per your thread guidelines.

You have to be willing to screw a pilot over if your boss tells you to, otherwise you won’t stay or be chief pilot. Now, most of the time they probably deserve some action, however there are times when it’s purely personal or political and not job performance related. I’ve even seen them make up issues that actually didn’t happen. How do you prove a negative?

Regarding the sick example. I’ve seen them discharge a guy for alleged sick abuse (out sick 4 times in one year) and the guy had medical records showing verified treatment for illnesses that prevent flight. They didn’t even look at the records and just discharged him. He was back to work about a month and a half later.... but that’s the kind of people you’re working for.

lol, didn't even realize that this was a bumped thread. It would be interesting to know if N6724G ever achieved his dream of being king a-hole and screwing over all his coworkers.

Not at Envoy.

Personal opinion.

Once a person decides to take that chief pilot position, or any other non-flying position at an airline for that matter, they slowly stop being a pilot. While they would be deeply offended by such an assertion, and can validly claim exposure to different areas of knowledge than a line pilot, the fact is they are really no longer a full time professional pilot. They are not out in the mud, the blood and the beer. Their daily tussles are of a different, more bureaucratic sort.


I am not saying it's wrong. If that floats somebodies boat, power to them. But it is a decision to leave the arena.

What do you mean?