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Slaphappy 11-29-2007 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by Koolaidman (Post 270704)
There is supposed to be "big" news at SkyWest in the future. Here is a possibility...

SkyWest signs a deal with American to do regional flying. Before Brad Holt went over to ASA, he sent out a letter showing how many upgrades and new hires for the next six months. The letter expected 60 new-hires a month. The thing that got my attention in the letter was that he said he feels there will be good opportunities for growth. That leads me to believe that he just put a number out there and we will need more pilots than what he is putting on paper.

SAPA says our President, Chipper Childs, wants to have a new payscale in place by Janaury 1st. My guess is so they can have an idea on pilot costs when they bid for whatever regional flying is left out there. The best rumor has been flying for Southwest. But what if Southwest is actually American?

I tend to think there is also a chance for cal.

newarkblows 11-29-2007 07:56 AM

hey whatever happens eagle is still a stand up group and has always been a respectable place to work. Good luck fellas.... management whipsawing us against each other is never a good thing. Now it looks inevitable eagle will be in the mix too.

POPA 11-29-2007 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by flyguy81 (Post 270827)
the 140's aren't crap. i much prefer them to the 145's. they're not underpowered, i was doing 3000 fpm yesterday out of MSP nearly full. the sunshades and FMS makes it tons better than the 145. I rarely have a broken plane on the AA side. The 145's are always broke. While they are overweight with 44 adults and 60 bags, that not an airplane issue, that's a weight and balance number issue.

The sunshades and Universals could just as easily be installed in the 145 as the 140, so I don't consider those an "airplane" plus - more of an "American Connection" plus.
I think I should clarify that although I don't miss the 140, I do miss the American flying in STL. It is, without a doubt, the best flying we have in the system. Easy flying, good outstations, and quite a few high-time trips on the Connection side are some of the big reasons I'm giving serious consideration to doing the IND-STL commute. However, I definitely would rather fly the 135 or 145 than the 140.

boilerpilot 11-29-2007 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by SharkyBN584 (Post 270741)
It doesn't really mean anything for RAH. Our AA planes have nothing to do with Eagle. Also, the flying we do under the AA banner is carry-over from TWA. When AA bought/merged with TWA, we kept doing the same flying for AA as we had been for TWA only with a different paint scheme. Hence the reason every single one of our AA planes is STL based. Naturally, since we kept the contract and started flying with the name "American" on the side, Eagle believes we stole their flying. Figure that one out.

I'm quite clear on the reasonings that TSA and CHQ do flying for American. My question wasn't "why are they doing that". Rather, I'm wondering about the implications of Eagle and AA no longer being a single entity (which you can at least say they are for contract negotiations). Before when the old grandfathered TWA contracts were up, I'm not sure how much of a chance those two airlines stood of continuing that flying, due to Eagle already throwing a fit about AA "cheating" on them.

Regardless of whether or not you like the 140 or think that an executive has made veiled statements against the contract, things in the business world are not quite simple. You can't throw away a certain amount of flying because you don't like the airplane, especially when it's paying the bills. And while it's certainly possible that RAH or TSA could move airplanes around, it would at the very least have a huge impact on operations. Look at XJET, they were able to move things around, but their future, while not in dire peril, is admittedly unsure. That's not a dig against XJET, it's a simple fact that while their future has promise, many things could happen that could jeopardize their financial security.

So now that Eagle stands to be a separate entity, is the likelihood that these contracts can at least be renewed if the companies want?



Oh, and Koolaidman mentioned Southwest using SKW for regional flying. Not a chance in hell. SWA may like you guys because of your similar company culture, but if you think that SWA is going to start regional flying under a different banner and using a non-SWA workforce, you're kidding yourself, sorry.

SharkyBN584 11-29-2007 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by boilerpilot (Post 270899)
I'm quite clear on the reasonings that TSA and CHQ do flying for American. My question wasn't "why are they doing that". Rather, I'm wondering about the implications of Eagle and AA no longer being a single entity (which you can at least say they are for contract negotiations). Before when the old grandfathered TWA contracts were up, I'm not sure how much of a chance those two airlines stood of continuing that flying, due to Eagle already throwing a fit about AA "cheating" on them.

Regardless of whether or not you like the 140 or think that an executive has made veiled statements against the contract, things in the business world are not quite simple. You can't throw away a certain amount of flying because you don't like the airplane, especially when it's paying the bills. And while it's certainly possible that RAH or TSA could move airplanes around, it would at the very least have a huge impact on operations. Look at XJET, they were able to move things around, but their future, while not in dire peril, is admittedly unsure. That's not a dig against XJET, it's a simple fact that while their future has promise, many things could happen that could jeopardize their financial security.

So now that Eagle stands to be a separate entity, is the likelihood that these contracts can at least be renewed if the companies want?



Oh, and Koolaidman mentioned Southwest using SKW for regional flying. Not a chance in hell. SWA may like you guys because of your similar company culture, but if you think that SWA is going to start regional flying under a different banner and using a non-SWA workforce, you're kidding yourself, sorry.

If RAH wanted to renew the contract, I have pretty good idea that it would probably happen without a problem. That's IF they want to renew. I don't know whether they do or not, but my opinion would be "No" and have the 140's be sold off just like the 135's are (those planes are "paying the bills" and they're outta here). However, our operation for American is stable and runs well. You never here any complaints from that side of the house.

Oh, and to the guys talking up this SKW/SWA regional crap...SWA's scope prevents any "regional" flying to be done by people other than SWA pilots. So unless every SKW pilot is hopping over to the SWA seniority list...you're all jerking yourselves around.

G-Dog 11-29-2007 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by flyguy81 (Post 270827)
the 140's aren't crap. i much prefer them to the 145's. they're not underpowered, i was doing 3000 fpm yesterday out of MSP nearly full. the sunshades and FMS makes it tons better than the 145. I rarely have a broken plane on the AA side. The 145's are always broke. While they are overweight with 44 adults and 60 bags, that not an airplane issue, that's a weight and balance number issue.

The 145s are not always broke. Maybe you will see one MEL on a plane once in a while, but not always. These planes are kept in great shape.

44 adults and 60 bags, please, we do that all the time with 50 people an 60 bags. You are giving misinformation.

SharkyBN584 11-29-2007 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by G-Dog (Post 270953)
The 145s are not always broke. Maybe you will see one MEL on a plane once in a while, but not always. These planes are kept in great shape.

44 adults and 60 bags, please, we do that all the time with 50 people an 60 bags. You are giving misinformation.

44 peeps and 60 bags ain't happenin' on the 140. You can do it on the 145...because you have an extra 2,000 lbs to play with. How do you fit 50 people on a plane that only holds 44 though...?

UnlimitedAkro 11-29-2007 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by SharkyBN584 (Post 270962)
44 peeps and 60 bags ain't happenin' on the 140. You can do it on the 145...because you have an extra 2,000 lbs to play with. How do you fit 50 people on a plane that only holds 44 though...?

4 people in the lav and 2 in the closet.

Apollo 11-29-2007 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by UnlimitedAkro (Post 270969)
4 people in the lav and 2 in the closet.

I believe that is perfectly legal in Pakistan.

Alknew182 11-29-2007 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by UnlimitedAkro (Post 270969)
4 people in the lav and 2 in the closet.

HAHAHA.....


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