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I just wanted to let everyone know that I have reached my dream of becoming an airline pilot!!! I have been hired by Mesa!!! How awesome is that??? I can't wait to start, especially now that I have found out that they have canceled all vacations for pilots on the ERJ and CRJ for the rest of the year!!!

(I have not been hired at Mesa...just trying to lighten things up a little)

Seriously though, I read on Mesa's airline profile page on APC that Mesa had canceled all vacations for pilots on the ERJ and CRJ. Is management allowed to do that? Is that allowed in the contract? I think it's about time that Mesa pilots follow in the footsteps of Pinnacle pilots and send a message to management. From what I've read on here, it sounds like it's long overdue. How can the pilots there continue to put up with this crap?

as if JO and crew care what's legal or allowed by contract. their people are tools to be purchased at the lowest cost and used till worn out.

the pilots are either the kind that could only get hired at Mesa, or are just about to get their 1000TPIC and jump ship.

Why the heck would anyone stick around a joint like that if that's the kind of cr@p they pull around the holidays? On the other hand, you gotta see this stuff coming if you go to that place...

i actually think that most are so happy to fly a jet and that they got any job at an airline they didn't do the research required to know how bad Mesa is.

lazy and SJS are a bad combo

Mesa is visiting my local area next week. I am just starting to apply to my preferred airlines now. Should I go to the event to interview and get experience with interviewing with the airlines?

Go. Do a search and compile a list of tough, real-world questions on pay, benefits, and QOL, and make those recruiters sweat. Make them wish they had never been born...

DON'T FLY FOR MESA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If a newbie to the industry doesn't do the research then he/she deserves what Mesa's about to do to them. As well as, if they do the research and still decide to take the job.

I respect most all pilots; the key word is "most." Mesa’s a “Scum” airline, the bottom of the barrel, the crap on the bottom of our shoes and their run by a guy who's no better than Lorenzo!

Why take a job there? Do you not have more respect for yourself? Poor self esteem? Confidence? If you suffer from these issues then let me give you a little advice……………………find a new profession. You won’t make it in this one.

Disclaimer: This is by no means an attack on Mesa pilots. Every time I’ve run across one in a bar I’ve bought them a beer! It's an attack on the ignorance of those sitting in their ground schools.

Can you clarify? This is only an attack on the people that are not yet Mesa pilots but will become Mesa pilots? The guys that have finished ground school are now OK, all have good confidence, self esteem, and respect for themselves; it is just during that six weeks in ground school that they are all horrible people?

I guess I should clarify my prior statement. I do have a couple of brain cells left, but I was wondering if it would be good to get out and go through the interview motions with Mesa. If so, my first and second questions will be concerning QOL (Choice of Pilot Base / Aircraft). Second will be about canceled vacations...

I think it would be good experience for you and wasting resources for J.O. Win/win in my book.

Boy, it's hard to quantify that sort of thing, but anyone who accepted a job at mesa after 2005 has questionable judgement, and anyone hired in 2007 must have some sort of an issue...they are at least guilty of gross ignorance. Prior to 2006 mesa was not THAT bad (at least not all the time), they had large, growing western bases, and fast upgrades.

Unless you worked as the sole CFI at the sole airport in a county in upper new england which has not yet been wired for the internet, it's inconcievable that any career pilot type was not warned about mesa, or at least prompted to do some research.

Any mesa FO under three years has to be nuts not to leave. Or so incompetent/lazy that they can't get hired at another regional despite their mesa 121 experience.

maybe they are getting hired there at low time, pass the 121 training, fly for about 3 months, then apply to skywest..........that in my opinion would make them smart, not the idiot ya'll so claim they would be.........each has his/her own agenda, and if they can use MESA to their benefit, go for it!!!!

Ask them about junior assignments, 5+ MELs on a jet, standup overnights, $80 million owed to Hawaiian, their CEO's criminal history, why they aren't block or better, only 8 days off a month min when most companies give 12 and about the two aircraft that recently went off runways.

Also, ask them why 600+ FOs left this year.

Then, apply to a quality company and work there.

Can't ya'll see it? Life at Mesa will never, never, ever be okay. JO is a crook and hates Pilots. He'd rather see the place burn down than give into anything, including a strike. He's going down with the rotten ship now...and loving every second of it. It's what he is...there is nothing to change that.

Yes!!!

I like it! :D

NO! It's not ok when you can go to other airlines with the same TT! Yes the others are low on the totem pole but they're not at the bottom!

My statement needs no clarification. Those in ground school are ignorant for not doing the proper research. Others who are currently there are no longer ignorant because they are currently being abused by MAG and fully understand what we were talking about. Those who stay are idiots, that is if they aren't CA's, if they are CA's then they should leave the minute they get hired by a Major! If anyone thinks that flying a jet is worth JO & Companies abuse then they are our industries enemy.

Just my opinion, I'm really not trying to start anything.

There but for the grace of God...

Plenty of stones to throw without going there.

Correct me if I am wrong but didnt XJT put one in the ditch last year?

Hey wannabe, are you lower management for Pinnacle in DTW or MSP??

Why does everyone think that I am Pinnacle management???

Think I remember us going off the side of a taxiway in CLE. Which, if you've ever been to CLE when they're getting some lake effect action, is not hard to do. RAH also sent one of their 170s off the end of runway 28 in CLE last year. Snows flyin, be careful boys and girls!

Go and interview but beware, Mesa is famous for charging a $50 "interview fee" (or raping fee, whatever) DON'T PAY IT!!! The experience will be good but not 50 bucks good. You'll go in there with confidence, like the confidence you get when you're talking to an ugly girl at a bar. You're just warming up and don't really care if it goes anywhere but if she wants to give you a bj later, you'll be flattered, right?:D

Maybe there is an odor you're not aware of:D

There's definitely something that I'm not aware of...oh well.

Anyone know when Mesa's Contract with Airways is up??? Im sure its in 2008...but i just dont know what month.

It will be very interesting to see what happens with all those 900's after mainline dumps them.

Maybe give them a try in China? :confused: Just thinking out loud.

Is there a way to research and compare contracts to find out about QOL issues like block or better ?

Ask around on the internet. Even if you got a copy of everyone's contract, they are so complicated that you would probably not be able to just read it and understand it...you'd need someone to explain it to you (unless you're an ex labor-lawyer).

2012. But I think Airways can reduce their flying by a certain amount each year starting in 2007.

I know people who have done this...but you have to dodge the training contract somehow.

OH yes, I did forget that MESA has that training contract................so screwing them for 3-6 months, might not work............you'd have to stay for 12 months...........

Who are they going to send to collect it? Plus, how is a guy making $25,000 a year with college debt, rent, food, etc going to pay for it? Screw em', I have spoken with people who left there who are still waiting for their last paycheck. Why would even rampers, gate agents, etc. want to work for them? What a joke. I get disgusted every time I look at one of their pilots just thinking about what they have to go through and why they stay there. And yes, most Mesa guys I have come across have been nice. Although we had some guy jumpseat and not say hi or thanks. I guess since he was on United Express and can non-rev he chose to go that route. I only do that with gojet. Maybe he thought he was mainline? Those guys never say hi.

I think the bottom line is that JO just doesn't care. He doesn't have to. He's already made his millions, and does not have to work for the rest of his life if he does not want to. He has proven time and time again that he doesn't give a rat's butt about his employees. He could care less if Mesa continues to exist. Mesa will only succeed as long as pilots are still willing to go there. Hopefully, as word continues to get out about Mesa, they won't be able to hire anyone. We can just hope and pray for that day!

I agree, but they will continue to find idiots to go there just like gojet.

This world surely has plenty of 'em...

Is it possible to leave that place and break the contract?

Hear of it being done every day. They withhold your last paycheck (they will no matter what), and send a nasty-gram but that's the last the people I know of have heard of them.

In order to maintain required operational control and ensure the highest level
of safe and reliable operations, the SOC must be able to provide the Pilot-in-
Command and other personnel who perform operational functions with
access to the necessary information for the flight. To accomplish this, the
SOC will use several methods to positively contact crews, including but not
limited to dispatch release notes and SELCAL. This positive notification must
be complied with per instructions as detailed in these messages. Please refer
to GOM Chapter 3, page 3.4, Section 3, Paragraph C, and Chapter 4, page
4.28, Section 35 for guidance on this subject.
The Captains signature on the dispatch release indicates that you are
responsible for the release and its entirety. If a message is sent for First
Officer or Flight Attendants, you will be held accountable for providing the
information to those crewmembers. Vigilance with regards to SELCAL
monitoring is mandatory, as this is the only method of maintaining operational
control over our aircraft in the enroute environment.

Mesa had this memo a few weeks ago now its out on Freedom too

In English please (for those not up on the terminology like me)???