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Andrew_VT 12-08-2007 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed (Post 275424)
If you had flown the line, you would have heard from senior Captains same thing I commented on.

Mesaba's additional CR9 options are not rumors, and yes they are widely discussed you are correct.


Pinnacle would not get NWA CRJ900.
Most likely correct (like 95-99% odds:)) but stranger things have happened. Of course I didn't try to burst this pcl guys bubble, I just said "it could happen".


Compass would not get CRJ900 either. There is a possibility Compass might get more than 36 EMB 175
Correct again, but 76-seat growth is 76-seat growth...and this compass guy was implying that it was ALL going to them because of "pax get on a CR9 and they say 'oh a regional jet' where on a Ejet they think they're on mainline" (or some BS like that...I stopped paying attention after awhile)

Lighteningspeed 12-08-2007 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by Andrew_VT (Post 275431)
Mesaba's additional CR9 options are not rumors, and yes they are widely discussed you are correct.



Most likely correct (like 95-99% odds:)) but stranger things have happened. Of course I didn't try to burst this pcl guys bubble, I just said "it could happen".



Correct again, but 76-seat growth is 76-seat growth...and this compass guy was implying that it was ALL going to them because of "pax get on a CR9 and they say 'oh a regional jet' where on a Ejet they think they're on mainline" (or some BS like that...I stopped paying attention after awhile)

Yeah. Don't worry about those Compass guys. Fact of the matter is CRJ 900 has longer range, faster, and more fuel efficient than EMB 175. When I was flying it last week, we calculated that it has the range to go nonstop from MSP to San Diego non stop with 73 passengers and enough fuel with Part 121 Fuel reserve requirement.

EMB 175 is little wider in the cabin but not that noticeable because I have flown in one as a passenger. EMB 175 is a nice airplane. I have it from guys who have been at Mesaba for more than 20 years that it is a really good bet that Compass future is fairly uncertain at this time. Especially if this NWA and Delta merger talk turns out to be true. With the fuel price continuing to soar, beancounters at NWA does not care one bit if the EMB 175 cabin is 1.5 inches wider or not. They only care about the bottom line and CRJ900, even though it is far from being ideal, wins hands down in efficiency over EMB 175.

XJPILOT1 12-08-2007 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 274640)
Done and Done!

Sweet!!! :D:D

crjav8er 12-12-2007 07:52 PM

Applied last Thursday night, called on Monday, interview a week from tomorrow.

Any idea how much a typical paycheck for a street captain would be (after taxes, medical, 401(k), blah, blah)?
How many Saab Captains are in DTW?

RJ85FO 12-13-2007 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by crjav8er (Post 278313)
Applied last Thursday night, called on Monday, interview a week from tomorrow.

Any idea how much a typical paycheck for a street captain would be (after taxes, medical, 401(k), blah, blah)?
How many Saab Captains are in DTW?

Year one SF3 CA pay is currently $42.93/hr. You will be on reserve for quite a while, so budget for 75 hour guarantee. 15% for taxes, $120/mo for medical/dental/STD (single) and I'll guess 5% for 401(k)...leaves you about $1300 per paycheck.

DTW is staffed to 120 SF3 CA's.

bizzum 12-13-2007 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed (Post 275539)
Fact of the matter is CRJ 900 has longer range, faster, and more fuel efficient than EMB 175.

EMB 175 is little wider in the cabin but not that noticeable because I have flown in one as a passenger.

As far as I can find, your facts about range and speed are wrong. According to the Bombardier website, the CRJ-900STD has a range of 1,350NM, the ER 1,593, and the LR is 1,828. The E-170 series has a range of 2,000NM with RSVs for the STD version. The Mmo is the same for both models. As far as fuel burn, I could not find any data on the CRJ-900, but if memory serves me correctly, having sat up front on each, the burns are similar.

As far as not being able to notice the difference in the cabin? I will have to disagree with you there. I used to commute on RAH's 175's every week, and they are WAY more comfortable than the CRJ series. They even have bigger seats and more pitch than the US 737s.

IHateMgmt 12-13-2007 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by bizzum (Post 278577)
As far as I can find, your facts about range and speed are wrong. According to the Bombardier website, the CRJ-900STD has a range of 1,350NM, the ER 1,593, and the LR is 1,828. The E-170 series has a range of 2,000NM with RSVs for the STD version. The Mmo is the same for both models. As far as fuel burn, I could not find any data on the CRJ-900, but if memory serves me correctly, having sat up front on each, the burns are similar.

As far as not being able to notice the difference in the cabin? I will have to disagree with you there. I used to commute on RAH's 175's every week, and they are WAY more comfortable than the CRJ series. They even have bigger seats and more pitch than the US 737s.

Gentlemen.

None of this really matters, mgmt will do what serves in their own best interest (not necessarily the customers and certainly not yours or mine).

We are all on the same team, try not to forget that...

G2TT 12-13-2007 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by IHateMgmt (Post 278646)

We are all on the same team, try not to forget that...

Exactly. This needs reiterated throughout the entire industry, not just under the redtail.

tsween 12-13-2007 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by bizzum (Post 278577)
As far as I can find, your facts about range and speed are wrong. According to the Bombardier website, the CRJ-900STD has a range of 1,350NM, the ER 1,593, and the LR is 1,828. The E-170 series has a range of 2,000NM with RSVs for the STD version. The Mmo is the same for both models. As far as fuel burn, I could not find any data on the CRJ-900, but if memory serves me correctly, having sat up front on each, the burns are similar.

As far as not being able to notice the difference in the cabin? I will have to disagree with you there. I used to commute on RAH's 175's every week, and they are WAY more comfortable than the CRJ series. They even have bigger seats and more pitch than the US 737s.

geeze sound like you fly one ;)

Lighteningspeed 12-13-2007 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by bizzum (Post 278577)
As far as I can find, your facts about range and speed are wrong. According to the Bombardier website, the CRJ-900STD has a range of 1,350NM, the ER 1,593, and the LR is 1,828. The E-170 series has a range of 2,000NM with RSVs for the STD version. The Mmo is the same for both models. As far as fuel burn, I could not find any data on the CRJ-900, but if memory serves me correctly, having sat up front on each, the burns are similar.

As far as not being able to notice the difference in the cabin? I will have to disagree with you there. I used to commute on RAH's 175's every week, and they are WAY more comfortable than the CRJ series. They even have bigger seats and more pitch than the US 737s.

NWA ordered CRJ900 Next Gen Long Range version for Mesaba. Check that at Bombardier and then tell me I am wrong. We also have an FO who used to fly at RAH EMB 175 and now he is flying CRJ900 at Mesaba and he told one of our CA that EMB 175 without the fitted extra fuel tank has less range and is slower than CRJ900 NextGen LR.

Anyway, I happen to like EMB 175. It's a great airplane. I wish NWA ordered EMB 175 for Mesaba instead of CRJ 900. So don't get all bent out shape and take my comment out of context. My point is NOT about which airplane is better. It's about the beancounters at NWA and what they will do if the fuel price keeps skyrocketing.


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