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Slice 12-10-2007 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by SharkAir (Post 276462)
Screw that. Just no seniority list. Period.

Yep, that's what you want. Politics and ass kissing to determine the success of your career.:rolleyes:

ExperimentalAB 12-10-2007 11:15 AM

Yep it's more complicated than it sounds...I'll take the seniority system any day, and twice on tuesday.

SharkAir 12-10-2007 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by Slice (Post 276464)
Yep, that's what you want. Politics and ass kissing to determine the success of your career.:rolleyes:

Better than a number which could conceivably trap me at a horrible company forever.

Slice 12-10-2007 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by SharkAir (Post 276469)
Better than a number which could conceivably trap me at a horrible company forever.

How's that? You always have a choice. You may not like the options but they always exist. If you want to lose the number go into management.

rickair7777 12-10-2007 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by SharkAir (Post 276469)
Better than a number which could conceivably trap me at a horrible company forever.

We have seniority for a reason...read up on early airlines in the 1920's and 30's. I don't want to have to spend my days off hanging out in the RCP's office kissing butt to try to get a good schedule.

But a national list would be nice.

SharkyBN584 12-10-2007 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by Slice (Post 276464)
Yep, that's what you want. Politics and ass kissing to determine the success of your career.:rolleyes:

Considering those are the top two things that determine where you get hired...I don't see how they DON'T play a factor :D

rickair7777 12-10-2007 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by SharkyBN584 (Post 276488)
Considering those are the top two things that determine where you get hired...I don't see how they DON'T play a factor :D

Ever aviation job I've ever had was arranged through a friend...not sure how your posse rolls, but I don't have to kiss my friends' butts (optional for some of the female ones maybe).

There's a lot less politics in the airline biz than most other careers.

crewdawg52 12-10-2007 04:51 PM

Sorry, but those willing to put up with that sh!t, deserves it.....

SaltyDog 12-10-2007 09:55 PM


Originally Posted by SharkAir (Post 276428)
Come to think of it, why can't we just get rid of this whole seniority system? Without it, we'd all have our free agency back, and could walk away from places like Mesa without having to start over at the bottom again.

Truly an amazing statement. How would you rate getting hired in a more senior position at any other airline? I'm all ears before I respond further, I am really curious to your line of thinking. I hope you are thinking of safety elements (read your survival) in what ever your line of thinking holds. Can PM me if you want.

Slice 12-10-2007 10:02 PM


Originally Posted by crewdawg52 (Post 276729)
Sorry, but those willing to put up with that sh!t, deserves it.....

Oh, you mean the legacy guys still flying that got their pensions stolen from underneath them too, right? Hate to say it but that was worse than anything JO did to me during my time at YV. The big problem is ALPA. One union, one voice, one standard of pay for equipment type flown. Pretty obvious the decentralized approach isn't working anymore.


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