welle036

I read that a lot of low time guys were washing out of training in the "sim" portion. What happens the next time they interview do they have to disclose washing out?

Flatspin

Now why in the world would you disclose that? C'mon now.

rickair7777

You will be asked if you have failed any training events...you can tell them anything you like. However the federal Pilot Records Improvement Act (PRIA) was established a number of years ago to help catch marginal pilots who would hop from job to job to escape training failures. You will be required to submit PRIA paperwork which will go to your previous employer, who will be required to forward all of your training records to your new employer.

This paperwork will normally be completed after you have started ground school, at which time you will be immediately fired for lying about your background. This information will be available via PRIA to the NEXT airline you apply to...of course no airline will ever hire you after getting caught lying about your background.

The airline business has zero tolerance for integrity malfunctions, and I do mean ZERO.

Since your training record will follow you for life, most pilots take training seriously. Don't attempt 121 training lightly...better to CFI for 6-12 months and/or get some imstrument experience if you're not 100% sure of your abilities in a light piston.

CTPILOT

which carrier has the most?

king10pin02

yes, if you bust out of 121 training program you have to tell them. its on most airline's applications.

Slice

Most what? Failures? Does it matter? You are either ready or you're not. It shouldn't matter which airline you go to.

usmc-sgt

Since we are on the subject, a few people in the class ahead of me (different airline PIC rides) busted their checkrides.

One busted bad enough where they stopped the ride in the middle and sent him home as a failed event, that is bad, very bad.

The other two still busted the checkrides and will have retakes to take care of the two items they missed on so it was a pink slip but providing they take care of there deficiencies (sp) and pass again how does that end up?

It will be in your pria as a failed checkride so if asked if you have failed a checkride then the answer is obviously yes, but is this the career killer that everyone has talked about in the past or is it along the lines of a failed cfi ride or commercial etc?

Baronpilot

Probably not like a failed CFI or Commercial ride. I know the failure rate is quite high for the CFI initial(90% for some FSDO's). If that was a career killer a lot of pilots would never make it to the airlines.

Tinpusher007

There is a difference between failing a checkride and failing out of training. There are very few pilots who have never failed a checkride, either prior to their airline career or during and airlines know this. That said, most airline checkrides will be stopped after something is unsat for the PIC type ride because even one item will make the whole ride unsat. However, in most cases you can continue the rest of the ride so that your re-check only has to re-test the item(s) that you busted.
For the SIC ride, if something is unsat it can be retrained during the ride and retested time permitting and the ride will be considered sat. Now for newhires who are failing out of training I would assume that means they failed a PC twice and the company decided to cut them loose. This will look bad to prospective employers because they will conlcude that you cannot successfully complete 121 training.
Having just recently passed my first 121 PC I can honestly say that it was not very difficult. There were no tricks and everything was thoroughly explained prior to the ride. It can definitely be accomplished with practice and chair-flying on your own time. With respect to your flying experience, instrument skills and knowledge have to be pretty sharp going into it, as those things are not re-taught at airlines. Use of the automation, specifically the FMS was the biggest reason alot of guys were busting rides at XJ on the -900 according to one of our APD's. Damn...didn't meant a write a book. But in conclusion, study hard, ask questions anytime you don't understand something and be willing to learn. And finally, you'd be surprised how far a good attitude will go to get people to help you through.

usmc-sgt

Thanks tinpusher for that info. Very informative and pretty much what I was looking for. I have always know that failing airline training will pretty much put your application in the circular file but now that I am here i see that failing a checkride and failing training are two seperate things.

I am not worried about failing although it of course is always in my mind, fear drives my motivation to work hard. My sim partner and I have been working hard, studying hard and trying to improve on our previous errors. The FMS is not very hard at all but you have to keep an eye on it, as it is very prone to "what is it doing? where is it taking me? is it going to turn?" and the list goes on and on.

I am thankful for the previous hours and experience I gained before coming here because I would not want to climb this mountain minus 600 hours.