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What's in the works at SkyWest?
We're all expecting something big sometime early next quarter, correct? The Southwest rumor has been beaten to death. I am thinking there are more plausible rumors running around. Don't mean for this to be a rumor-mill, or worse a flame-fest, but I know most of us are fairly curious...
Ideas I've heard/thought: Southwest (ummm...that's a longshot) Continental (when is CHQ's contract over?) United (bye, bye Mesa) Still haven't heard anything official about the Midwest flying - heard through the grapevine that it was a done deal for 8 additional birds in March... Now wouldn't it be completely, and terribly anti-climactic and disappointing if the "big news" were really just the addt'l Midwest flying and the opening of an MCI domicile? I am confident about the Midwest flying not being that news-flash...I think the big news will be either United or Continental. You heard it here first...! |
Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
(Post 281444)
We're all expecting something big sometime early next quarter, correct? The Southwest rumor has been beaten to death. I am thinking there are more plausible rumors running around. Don't mean for this to be a rumor-mill, or worse a flame-fest, but I know most of us are fairly curious...
Ideas I've heard/thought: Southwest (ummm...that's a longshot) Continental (when is CHQ's contract over?) United (bye, bye Mesa) Still haven't heard anything official about the Midwest flying - heard through the grapevine that it was a done deal for 8 additional birds in March... Now wouldn't it be completely, and terribly anti-climactic and disappointing if the "big news" were really just the addt'l Midwest flying and the opening of an MCI domicile? I am confident about the Midwest flying not being that news-flash...I think the big news will be either United or Continental. You heard it here first...! wow another "Something big at skywest is coming" thread... seems like only yesturday we were waiting on another big announcement.. oh wait, it was just a few days ago. http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=19474 http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=18769 http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=19038 http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=18633 |
Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
(Post 281444)
Continental (when is CHQ's contract over?)
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Bu-bu-but I thought SKW declined to bid on the CAL flying???
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
(Post 281508)
Bu-bu-but I thought SKW declined to bid on the CAL flying???
Is anyone else a little confused about the CRJ CA class that was supposed to be going on in early January? |
Something is coming. The question is what? Despite what Airsupport might think there has been something in the works for several months. The rumors were just a little early at leaking out this go around. The Midwest flying is going to happen but Midwest has asked us to hold off on an announcement. The rumors are running wild on what the other big news is but only one of them is true.
Don't count out the US AIR flying that MESA is currently doing either. |
Originally Posted by Hayduke
(Post 281529)
JA told us that it had to do with the length of contract that CAL wanted (too short).
Is anyone else a little confused about the CRJ CA class that was supposed to be going on in early January? As for the CAL flying being to short, how long is to short? How long was the CAL flying supposed to be for? He did ink a 5 yr deal with Midwest. |
I don't have to commute anymore. Nothing else matters.
At least for a few days. |
I heard we are getting A380s for Southwest...being as they prefer express carriers that fly larger airplanes than they do...honestly though, who knows what's gonna happen.
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Originally Posted by flyfresno
(Post 281620)
I heard we are getting A380s for Southwest...being as they prefer express carriers that fly larger airplanes than they do...honestly though, who knows what's gonna happen.
OK, seriously I getting sick of these threads which continue to show just how much Kool-Aid we're all drinking. Let’s cool our jets (no pun intended) and stick to more solid information. |
The 4th airline rumor for now is over. Yes it was Southwest, however, for a few reasons it wont happien. Also, there is no other flying that SKW is in the works for. We will take another 8 200's for midwest. SKW is waiting for a new VP to be named untill the word goes out. Do to the fact the Southwest thing wont happien as soon as thought( or happien at all) SKW will run a new hire class of 20 every 3 weeks. Upgrades to the RJ will slow as well. Look for upgrades to be around the 2.5 year range. SKW wanted 600 new hires for 08, now there talking 350ish. As for a MCI base not yet, however, it's not been ruled out.
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Originally Posted by KiloAlpha
(Post 281505)
The agreement was to a term of 10 years
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Big news doesn't always equal good news. Maybe they will park some 50 seaters
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Originally Posted by otter
(Post 281661)
The 4th airline rumor for now is over. Yes it was Southwest, however, for a few reasons it wont happien. Also, there is no other flying that SKW is in the works for. We will take another 8 200's for midwest. SKW is waiting for a new VP to be named untill the word goes out. Do to the fact the Southwest thing wont happien as soon as thought( or happien at all) SKW will run a new hire class of 20 every 3 weeks. Upgrades to the RJ will slow as well. Look for upgrades to be around the 2.5 year range. SKW wanted 600 new hires for 08, now there talking 350ish. As for a MCI base not yet, however, it's not been ruled out.
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Upgrade time at SKYW is now at least 10 yrs. Last company memo indicated 70 upgrades between now and June. We have 2,811 pilots. Thats 1,400 FOs. 1,400 divided by 10 per month= 140 months to upgrade. And this BEFORE age 65. All the rumors about other airlines is just wishful thinking to avoid this REALITY.
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
(Post 281631)
Sorry to bust your bubble but SWA doesn't want us to fly A380's..................its Emirates and we’re open our Dubai domicile in June! First reports are for 100 a/c spilt between A380's and B1900's. LOL!
OK, seriously I getting sick of these threads which continue to show just how much Kool-Aid we're all drinking. Let’s cool our jets (no pun intended) and stick to more solid information.
Originally Posted by dozer
(Post 281745)
Upgrade time at SKYW is now at least 10 yrs. Last company memo indicated 70 upgrades between now and June. We have 2,811 pilots. Thats 1,400 FOs. 1,400 divided by 10 per month= 140 months to upgrade. And this BEFORE age 65. All the rumors about other airlines is just wishful thinking to avoid this REALITY.
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Originally Posted by dozer
(Post 281745)
Upgrade time at SKYW is now at least 10 yrs. Last company memo indicated 70 upgrades between now and June. We have 2,811 pilots. Thats 1,400 FOs. 1,400 divided by 10 per month= 140 months to upgrade. And this BEFORE age 65. All the rumors about other airlines is just wishful thinking to avoid this REALITY.
That's 3 times that amount you've listed above. These numbers are only taking into account our attrition rates and the positions we currently have open, no growth other than what's already on the books. (To date we're still understaffed) PILOT CLASS DATES 2008 Jan 7.....20 RJ NEW HIRE Jan 14....10 RJ CA / 10 RJ TFO Jan 7.....30 EMB NEW HIRE Jan 7.....14 EMB CA Jan 28....20 RJ NEW HIRE Feb 4.....10 RJ CA / 10 RJ TFO Feb 4.....20 EMB HIRE Feb 4.....14 EMB CA Feb 18....20 RJ NEW HIRE Feb 25....10 RJ CA / 10 RJ TFO Mar 3.....20 EMB NEW HIRE Mar 3.....14 EMB CA Mar 10....20 RJ NEW HIRE Mar 17....10 RJ CA / 10 RJ TFO Mar 26....20 RJ NEW HIRE Mar 31....10 RJ CA / 10 RJ TFO Apl 7......20 EMB NEW HIRE Apr 7.....14 EMB CA Apr 21....20 RJ NEW HIRE Apr 28....20 RJ CA / 10 RJ TFO May 5.....20 EMB NEW HIRE May 5.....14 EMB CA May 12....20 RJ NEW HIRE May 19....20 RJ CA / 10 RJ TFO Jun 2......20 RJ NEW HIRE Jun 9......20 RJ CA / 10 RJ TFO Jun 2......20 EMB NEW HIRE Jun 2......10 EMB CA Jun 23....20 RJ NEW HIRE Jun 30....20 RJ CA / 10 RJ TFO TFO = Transition FO's |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 281687)
The contract was for TWO years, not ten. The Frontier deal was for 10.
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all i want to know is where is the rumor that skywest is going to buy pinnacle. if that were true then uncle jerry could come down here like he did at asa and make them get the contract done.... now thats wishful thinking.
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
(Post 281818)
Yes...and that is why we should all be curious about CAL. Any CHQ guys have news about renewing the contract?? The 2-yr deal is also why SKW (who originally won the bid) turned it down. No sense in ramping up hiring and purchasing a/c for such a short contract - and worst case end up furloughing those same pilots in short-order. Our Midwest flying was signed on a 5 year contract - that's the lowest (as it should be) JA and company will take a risk for.
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As quoted directly from CAL's 10-Q filed in April '07:
The Chautauqua CPA has a five year term with respect to ten aircraft and an average term of 2.5 years for the balance of the aircraft. In addition, we have the unilateral right to extend the Chautauqua CPA on the same terms on an aircraft-by-aircraft basis for a period of up to five years in the aggregate for 20 aircraft and for up to three years in the aggregate for 24 aircraft, subject to the renewal terms of the related aircraft lease. |
Originally Posted by POPA
(Post 281864)
As quoted directly from CAL's 10-Q filed in April '07:
As far as us getting sued by CAL, I wouldn't believe everything that comes from the rumor mill over at ExpressJet High School. O.K. so a right to extend does not mean it was for longer than 2.5 years. Therefore, it was not ten. And your remarks about "ExpressJet High School" put you on the same level as the so called students there; that unfortunately, are my co-workers. |
arent the crj-200's on a lease with chq that ends in Dec 08-may 09. there are roughly 20 of them.
the whole chq-xjt thing is BS. its perpetuated by the idiots of both of our pilot groups. chq and cal did have a bit of a falling out though. cal was not happy with the initial performance and i believe cal gave chq a shape up or ship out deal. chq started performing much better and things are fine now and the crjs were relocated to better suited routes. It wasnt chq's fault. if cal wanted erj's on the routes then cal should have said so. idiot bean counters making decisions is a bad move. if cal flying was to come from the xjt side it would start in dec 2009. That is the soonest any flying can be taken from us unless our entire CPA is cancelled. CAL does lease us our aircraft so if we decide to keep those airframes which we are allowed to do then CAL has a financial stake in our success or failure. a CH 11 filing from our company could hurt CAL |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 281873)
O.K. so a right to extend does not mean it was for longer than 2.5 years. Therefore, it was not ten.
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Oh, and while I'm at it:
The Frontier codeshare is good for 11 years from the last aircraft delivery in the original agreement (with the option to extend another six years). |
Originally Posted by POPA
(Post 281864)
I wouldn't believe everything that comes from the rumor mill over at ExpressJet High School.
May 12, 2006 Good afternoon. So much for the exceptional weather pattern we've been enjoying. And the forecast for the next week looks pretty gloomy too. The big news this week is the recent announcement by XJT management that they intend to retain possession of the 69 aircraft that will be withdrawn from their Continental agreement. The announcement is consistent with what they have been saying all along that they wont give CO back their aircraft; rather they will attempt to redeploy them in a variety of unspecified means. From purely emotional perspective, I completely understand why they are acting this way. The removal of the aircraft will have a material, negative impact on their company and its employees. Having said that, some some negative impact was unavoidable as the airline simply has too high operating costs. Either management engaged with labor on reducing those costs (ala Comair) and also reduced overheads, or they would shrink. Atlantic Coast was faced with this same choice when United was in bankruptcy. Like XJT, they too chose to avoid the difficult choice and instead remove aircraft and go at it alone. History has show, not only was that the wrong course of action, but it clearly shows the negative impacts to their employees was dramatically higher than what would have been had they only worked to preserve their business relationship with United. Yet strangely XJT management and labor seem to be walking, arm in arm, down the same path but hoping for different results? I am afraid they won't find what they are looking for. Not only was Atlantic Coast's actions devastating for their airline, employees and shareholders, but in an ironic way it was bad for all regional airlines. By implementing a reckless business plan they also fueled an artificial demand for 50 seat regional jets to replace their former United flying. With Atlantic Coast in liquidation and their old aircraft now floating around the market of displaced RJ's, that glut is now coming home to hurt the entire industry. To once again artificially remove 69, 50 seat RJs which Continental will surely replace in some form or fashion, is harmful to XJT, its employees and shareholders and the rest of us working in this industry. For our part, our agreement with Continental remains in effect and I feel we are well positioned to assist CO in replacing some quantity of the withdrawn aircraft; although we will do so with the knowledge that this was not the best outcome for any of us involved in this situation. |
Originally Posted by JetJock16
(Post 281780)
Hate to break it to you my friend but YOU ARE DEAD WRONG! :confused: That "memo" you're talking about calls for 210 upgrades by the end of June. 130 RJ CA's, 80 EMB CA's, 90 Transitions (EMB FO - CRJ FO) and 310 new hires (180 RJ & 130 EMB).
That's 3 times that amount you've listed above. These numbers are only taking into account our attrition rates and the positions we currently have open, no growth other than what's already on the books. (To date we're still understaffed) PILOT CLASS DATES 2008 Jan 7.....20 RJ NEW HIRE Jan 14....10 RJ CA / 10 RJ TFO Jan 7.....30 EMB NEW HIRE Jan 7.....14 EMB CA Jan 28....20 RJ NEW HIRE Feb 4.....10 RJ CA / 10 RJ TFO Feb 4.....20 EMB HIRE Feb 4.....14 EMB CA Feb 18....20 RJ NEW HIRE Feb 25....10 RJ CA / 10 RJ TFO Mar 3.....20 EMB NEW HIRE Mar 3.....14 EMB CA Mar 10....20 RJ NEW HIRE Mar 17....10 RJ CA / 10 RJ TFO Mar 26....20 RJ NEW HIRE Mar 31....10 RJ CA / 10 RJ TFO Apl 7......20 EMB NEW HIRE Apr 7.....14 EMB CA Apr 21....20 RJ NEW HIRE Apr 28....20 RJ CA / 10 RJ TFO May 5.....20 EMB NEW HIRE May 5.....14 EMB CA May 12....20 RJ NEW HIRE May 19....20 RJ CA / 10 RJ TFO Jun 2......20 RJ NEW HIRE Jun 9......20 RJ CA / 10 RJ TFO Jun 2......20 EMB NEW HIRE Jun 2......10 EMB CA Jun 23....20 RJ NEW HIRE Jun 30....20 RJ CA / 10 RJ TFO TFO = Transition FO's |
Originally Posted by POPA
(Post 281919)
I never said our contract was good for ten years. You, however, said it was a two-year agreement. I was merely proving you wrong.
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Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 281949)
O.K. I was still closer than the person who said 10 years, so I guess I was merely proving them wrong
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[quote=JetJock16;281631]Sorry to bust your bubble but SWA doesn't want us to fly A380's..................its Emirates and we’re open our Dubai domicile in June! First reports are for 100 a/c spilt between A380's and B1900's. LOL!
quote] HAHAHAHAHAHA Thanks that was just what I needed:D:D:D |
Originally Posted by BadMags
(Post 281980)
HAHAHAHAHAHA Thanks that was just what I needed
I also heard that our FA's have to cover their faces up..........actually.......maybe we should make that a law here in the states. LOL! :eek::D |
Maybe we are finally going paperless????
Heard it in COS... |
Yeah, last time SkyWest flew for CAL, didn't turn out so well................:p.
Would'nt surprise me though CAL wants to.............drum role please............................."Diversify" :rolleyes: |
chip said we're going to be flying 900s "from the west coast" or something like that. so i'm still hoping for an lax base.
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So if SkyWest gets a new CAL contract, whose flying are they stealing? ExpressJet's or Chautauqua's?
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Originally Posted by SharkAir
(Post 282101)
So if SkyWest gets a new CAL contract, whose flying are they stealing? ExpressJet's or Chautauqua's?
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You da man.
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Originally Posted by SAABaroowski
(Post 282102)
try CAL's.......................
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Originally Posted by SAABaroowski
(Post 282061)
Yeah, last time SkyWest flew for CAL, didn't turn out so well................:p.
Would'nt surprise me though CAL wants to.............drum role please............................."Diversify" :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by JetJock16
(Post 282151)
Ya, they wanted RJ’s for close to EMB rates and JA told them where to stick it! I think we’re the only regional that has said both "so long" and "no" to them on two separate occasions, so I don't see you in the White, Blue and Gold any time soon.
PS. You don't see who in the White, Blue and Gold anytime soom <------- lost me on that comment????????:confused: |
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