I guess more than just pilots are fed up with the TSA...
#24
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What motivated you to work there? I'm glad it helped pay for your CFI, but in all honesty, I'd much rather toss bags, work in lost luggage, or even clean toilets at the airport than work for the TSA. Every time I go through security it's something different. It seems that working for th TSA today is what flipping burgers was to the 90s...as far as job prestige is concerned (this coming from a guy who said "would you like to supersize your meal for just 49 cents?" for a year in HS to pay for his first car, a 1989 S-10 Blazer)
You guys only see one dimension of TSA screeners. You guys are like the flying passenger who when they see your RJ say things like "man, thats a tiny airplane" Now we as pilots know better but the travelling public only sees one thing just as you guys only see a guy or gal who impeades you from getting from work. thats all yousee, but there is much more behind it.
And I hate to say this but Ilke to keep things reral. Youguys have made comments such as TSA are a bunch of crak heads, gangsters, I know what you really meant (and no I am not goin gto explain it because you all know what I mean) but thats very rude. I come from an environment that most fo youguys would probably have stereotypes about me and thats unfortunant in todays day and age. i thought that kind of thinking went out years ago. Guess not
#25
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The only judgment I make about you, 24G, is based off of your continuing lack of courtesy to us by refusing to spell check or proof read. I understand that you type quickly, but understand that many, many people do make judgments about grammar and spelling (whether for right or wrong is irrelevant), and if you can't take the 10 seconds to read over your posts to at least try to eliminate one of the 31 grammatical or spelling errors you made in the previous post (that's not counting not capitalizing names/pronouns/spacing/etc or poor sentence structure). Thirty one. Nobody on this site is Shakespeare, and I believe I speak for everybody when I say that we don't expect the most eloquent phrasing known to man. However, to consistently show a lack of respect by telling us that we're not even worth ONE proof read, you're going to rub at least a few people the wrong way, and whatever point you're trying to prove will end up falling on deaf ears. While I wouldn't tell anybody that I'm the most important person in the world, I know a lot of people in both the regional and major world who read these forums. Is it really worth risking creating an unfavorable impression with an interviewer before your interview even starts? Or a sim instructor? Or a recruiter? Or a VP? Or CP? Or a future one of any of these? I mean, the list goes on forever. Perception is everything, and whether or not you don't respect us or you do, it SEEMS like you don't. Take that for what it's worth.
Now, grammar rant over, to the meat of your post:
Like it or not, your example about small RJs isn't a valid one. We deal with the TSA on a daily basis, multiple times a day, and have to keep relatively informed on their actions because it impacts our lives so directly. The problem with your argument is that the pax's that have the same amount of contact with airplanes as we do with TSA agents DON'T think that RJs are "tiny airplanes". In all my years, I've never heard a business traveler call an RJ tiny, though I have heard it once or twice about airplanes like the 1900 (come on guys, I respect the pilots who fly them immensely, and mean no disrespect at all, but 1900s are not large airplanes! Don't take offense!).
I've met plenty of TSA agents who are very knowledgeable, friendly, courteous, and professional, but unfortunately, they are not in anything close to the majority. I treat all TSA agents with respect, not because I respect each and every one of them, or even every aspect of the job that they perform, but because I believe it is not my place to start causing a scene in front of hundreds of passengers, who will think no higher of me as a pilot, or of the TSA as an agency.
So please step off your podium, we're not insulting you based off of your experience with the TSA, nor are we insulting some of your coworkers, but to argue that the TSA is perhaps misunderstood or unfairly viewed is blatantly and blindly biased. There are good people at the TSA, just like there are good people in every industry. Unfortunately for us as professionals and the flying public as consumers, a high level of quality service is not the norm for the TSA.
Now, grammar rant over, to the meat of your post:
Like it or not, your example about small RJs isn't a valid one. We deal with the TSA on a daily basis, multiple times a day, and have to keep relatively informed on their actions because it impacts our lives so directly. The problem with your argument is that the pax's that have the same amount of contact with airplanes as we do with TSA agents DON'T think that RJs are "tiny airplanes". In all my years, I've never heard a business traveler call an RJ tiny, though I have heard it once or twice about airplanes like the 1900 (come on guys, I respect the pilots who fly them immensely, and mean no disrespect at all, but 1900s are not large airplanes! Don't take offense!).
I've met plenty of TSA agents who are very knowledgeable, friendly, courteous, and professional, but unfortunately, they are not in anything close to the majority. I treat all TSA agents with respect, not because I respect each and every one of them, or even every aspect of the job that they perform, but because I believe it is not my place to start causing a scene in front of hundreds of passengers, who will think no higher of me as a pilot, or of the TSA as an agency.
So please step off your podium, we're not insulting you based off of your experience with the TSA, nor are we insulting some of your coworkers, but to argue that the TSA is perhaps misunderstood or unfairly viewed is blatantly and blindly biased. There are good people at the TSA, just like there are good people in every industry. Unfortunately for us as professionals and the flying public as consumers, a high level of quality service is not the norm for the TSA.
Last edited by boilerpilot; 12-21-2007 at 09:31 PM.
#27
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To your credit, I don't think it particularly polite to judge anybody for choosing to work where they work. In the end, it doesn't affect you, so why should you care? I mean, we've already found out they earn more than a first year regional FO, it can't be that bad!
#28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFQyib5ZQZY
Someone needs to make one for TSA.
#29
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Originally Posted by The Article
Bill Lyons, the union official who is trying to organize screeners and get them bargaining rights, said many problems arise because TSA has understaffed the checkpoints.
TSA is just about tied with Crew Schedulers in my eyes...
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