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Zach 12-25-2007 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by de727ups (Post 286692)
Zach, it would be wise to take note that the three letters you typed in the above post were edited out by the filter. It would be good if you didn't use language that the filter won't accpet as you post here in the future.

Thx

Oh really? I wasn't aware.

HookEm 12-25-2007 03:52 PM

To my knowledge, a student pays for a "CRJ Jet Transition" course at whatever establishment offers it. Anyway the average price of the course is $6000. That is something they pay that qualifies them for an interview. That money is gone. It isn't reimbursed by anyone. So they pay to put it on their resume. Anyway the only reason I know the price is b/c a person in my last training class had done a program like this and was hired with far less time than everyone else in the course. I don't know if that was the reason why I just took note of it.

de727ups 12-25-2007 04:15 PM

What I've been hearing is that AE and ASA, if you pass the interview at low time, will pay for your RJ course. Seen it at other threads.

HookEm 12-25-2007 04:26 PM

Well like I said in my previous post, I don't believe everything that I read, I do take it into account. My purpose was not to argue, only to point out that a 250 hr. pilot is going to be hired at one regional or another. I just think that a 250 hr. pilot in a jet is more dangerous than a turboprop. If someone wants to pay the money, that's their preogative but no longer are they taking away any jobs.

I'm not at AE or ASA so other than their posted minimums and requirements I can't speak for what type of initial training they are paying for.

CGreek 12-25-2007 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by HookEm (Post 286709)
Well like I said in my previous post, I don't believe everything that I read, I do take it into account. My purpose was not to argue, only to point out that a 250 hr. pilot is going to be hired at one regional or another. I just think that a 250 hr. pilot in a jet is more dangerous than a turboprop. If someone wants to pay the money, that's their preogative but no longer are they taking away any jobs.

I'm not at AE or ASA so other than their posted minimums and requirements I can't speak for what type of initial training they are paying for.

A 250 hr pilot may be just as dangerous in TP or a 747... now a pilot that doesnt even care about doing some research before spending daddy's 30k just beacause """"instructing is lame....." I think i;s irresponsable
i dont think anybody said anything about anybody taking away any jobs, thats not the point.

cbram 12-25-2007 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by de727ups (Post 286690)
That's not what I heard...

Are you saying you have to pay the 6K initially, then, if you pass the interview and ASA training, ASA pays for it?


no, h$^# no. it just helps you out getting the interview and also helps you out in the sim eval. asa is hiring people w/o the transition course as well with low time.

TXTECHKA 12-25-2007 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by HookEm (Post 286640)
Airing your friends laundry on this forum isn't exactly professional. I'm not sure anyone makes a quick and rash decision when it comes to spending $30,000 no matter how close they came to not finishing their, "Associate in Science" degree, whatever that is. This forum is a useful tool but you can't believe everything you hear. Gulfstream's program isn't too far off ASA hiring b/c of a jet transition course or PSA hiring 250 hour pilots into jets. Hand-flying the 1900 all over South Florida isn't glamorous by any means but it is good training for pilots in equipment that isn't too far advanced past the low-time pilots that are flying them.

training should not be done with paying passengers on board. It may be good experience but in my opinion a pilot should be highly qualified before they take the controls of an airliner (be it a turbo prop or a jet)

DMEarc 12-25-2007 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by Andym037 (Post 285734)
I really can't understand this persistent and inexpicable phenomenon either. But then again, with this job market why would anyone go to Mesa, GoJets, or Colgan either?

AROO???

It's called an upgrade and QOL man.

cbire880 12-25-2007 08:42 PM

The difference between Gulfstream and the RJ course is that you are paying for the RJ course like a college class. You take it, you get your certificate, and you add it to your pedigree. The Gulfstream program, you pay to go to work. You have to interview first then get a job. The problem is pilots subsidising the airline's cost of doing business.

Rightseat Ballast 12-26-2007 03:46 AM

Programs like GIA's will never go away because the majority of their applicants are uneducated about our industry. They have never heard of this website, their friends are all on the outside looking in with them, and none of us "veterans" are showing up at job fairs to inform the new guys. The GIA inductees are just looking for a way in, and they believe that experience (hours) speaks the loudest. Getting 121 ME time is gold to them. And until the past year, 121 ME time was gold. You can pay thousands to GIA, or you can pay it to your University. In the end, we all have loans and we all make it to someplace better than GIA if we want to. I agree that GIA is not the most cost-effective option for getting one's foot in the door, and I also agree that pilots paying to work is detrimental to us all. But, it is a small group that does so. The net effect on the industry is minimal, and if I had a choice between 500 wunderkids, I think I would choose the guy with 300 in a 1900 versus 300 in a 172.


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