JoeyMeatballs

you know I have had some guys comment on my hair, at least once or twice on this board. I have a lot of hair, its thick, though I don't spike it, it does sit rather high. Anyway I will post a pic of me and my beard come mid-February, although I probably shouldnt cause then I will have Colgan guys throwing stuff at me in EWR

johnso29

Wow, like 5 different people? Really? Holy Crap break out the champagne! I seriously can't believe anyone would even think about entertaining this ridiculous rumor.

flyguy81

Tduck:

the shuttle captains were lumped together and place together behind a FO pilot here based on the date that the certificate was purchased (late summer 04). The Fo's were then integrated on a 3 or 4/1 basis until there were none left. Everyone here was shouting staple, but that isn't how the arbitrator ruled. Just cause that is how it was in this example with 80 pilots, is not how it'll play out with 700 airbus pilots.

I was hired spring 05 and pretty much everyone ended up being above me. Was I mad...yes. I never applied to shuttle and now had lost 80+ numbers in seniority. They were going to lose their jobs anyway as United pulled their contract. Since the certificate was purchased, the pilots came too along with the saabs. This was separate than the MDA asset purchase of gates and planes. No pilots came with that because they were duped into thinking they were a separate entity, instead they were just USAir. So those guys were given preferential hiring so this place wouldn't implode from lack of pilots.

The shuttle pilots career expectations were nothing since the company likely wouldn't have existed in a year or so. A frontier pilots career expectations are vastly higher than any pilot currently at RAH. That would play into the arbitrators decision. Reference the USair/AW merger. That was fair and equitable according to the arbitrator. USair wanted a merger based on staple as you say we'll do with F9. Didn't happen. Won't happen in the 1:1,000,000,000 shot that we acquire F9. Expect yourself at the bottom of a large list.

ToiletDuck

WRONG WRONG WRONG. They don't automatically remove all the people currently in the aircraft. When a slot becomes available the next senior person is able to bid for it. This is how RAH already operates. Be it a CA on a 145 who's seat lock is up or a 145 FO. This situation will NEVER happen but if it did this is how things would go down. The only moron is you believing they'd automatically pull everyone out of the larger aircraft. The size of the aircraft has nothing to do with the seniority within a company. No one would ever get displaced to a smaller aircraft. You forget we've already had this situation once. I might a little off on some of the details regarding the situation but fact is they don't just yank everyone out of one aircraft and if any merger took place with anyone we would all get a seniority bump in some form or fashion. If someone upgrades after 2 years then a week later they purchase another company that new CA will stay a CA regardless of how many 10yr FOs from the other company there might be. He won't be pulled out of his aircraft and displaced. He "should" also be more senior than any of the FOs that come from the other company so he should have to worry about them bidding the next available seat and jumping up ahead of him. They could integrate the CAs using any type of ratio but he'd be protected.

This is the dumbest conversation ever. F9 being owned by a regional. Wexford maybe but completely independent of RAH. F9 in itself is a sinking ship right now and the last thing RAH needs is to permanently put themselves in the same situation XJT is in on purpose with this large of a fleet.

johnso29

Well, typically the larger airplanes pay more, and therefore go more senior. Thats why what he said makes sense. Pilots that were more senior due to the staple would now bid the higher paying a/c thereby displacing pilots out of the airplane and skyrocketing training costs. The whole idea of F9 and Republic is stupid.

freezingflyboy

Bingo. Which is allowed by your CBA since it is worded such that a pilot may not change seats unless it is an increase in pay.

Double bingo.

Read very carefully: The company would not pull pilots out of aircraft, your seniority system would. What I am saying is that the RAH PILOTS (being more senior in your ridiculous scenario) would BID up to the larger aircraft (the F9 Airbii) which would then DISPLACE the F9 drivers back to the RJs. It has nothing to do with the company, just all the instant hardons from you RJ drivers the minute an Airbus or Boeing hit the property. I'm not sure why this is so hard for you to grasp since you seemed to get it at the last sentence of your first paragraph. YOU being senior to ANY F9 FO would be the one "jumping ahead" of the F9 guys. Get it?

I will agree with you on one point, this IS the dumbest conversation ever. But dammit Toilet, when your head is up your arse it is REALLY up your arse!

ERJdude

The shuttle pilots career expectations were nothing since the company likely wouldn't have existed in a year or so. A frontier pilots career expectations are vastly higher than any pilot currently at RAH. That would play into the arbitrators decision. Reference the USair/AW merger. That was fair and equitable according to the arbitrator. USair wanted a merger based on staple as you say we'll do with F9. Didn't happen. Won't happen in the 1:1,000,000,000 shot that we acquire F9. Expect yourself at the bottom of a large list.[/quote]


USAir didn't want a staple, they wanted DOH (basically the same thing though with the way these 2 options would have turned out) but 2 different concepts

POPA

A court judge has already ruled that we can't buy Frontier until we finish the seniority list integration with SkyBus.
Jeeze, don't you guys keep current on the news at all?

BoilerUP

Was waiting for you to get into this love fest...

POPA

One of these days I might even post something that's both relevant and accurate!