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wannabepilot 01-11-2008 08:49 PM

Looks like some ASA pilots will have some explaining to do...
 
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/15031942/detail.html

ATLANTA --
A Delta 757 and an Atlantic Southeast regional jet came within three seconds of a disastrous runway collision Friday at Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport.
Without clearance from the tower, ASA flight 876 to Greensboro, N.C. crossed runway 27-right at 10:10 a.m. just as Delta flight 261 roared down that same runway, taking off for Puerto Vallarta, Mexico.The 757 was too far into its takeoff to shut down and came within 1,250 feet of the smaller jet, Federal Aviation Administration spokesperson Kathleen Bergen confirmed to WSB-TV Channel 2.A representative of the National Air Traffic Controllers Association said the planes were three seconds from a collision.Officials at both the FAA and the National Air Traffic Controllers Association said the ASA pilot failed to follow instructions from controllers.The ASA pilot had been told to wait until the Delta flight took off before crossing the runway, according to Doug Church, Director of Communications for NATCA.The pilot repeated the instructions back to the tower, but proceeded across the runway; directly into the path of the Delta jet, Church added.Both flights continued on to their destinations. No passengers were injured.

stylingolf 01-11-2008 08:56 PM

It could happen to anybody that becomes complacient but, they are upgrading 2 year guys now and hiring 250 total time new hires.

the King 01-11-2008 09:04 PM

Hope that wasn't anyone I know:eek:

flynavyj 01-11-2008 09:16 PM

could happen to any of us, a reminder to be vigilant. Fly safe.

Blkflyer 01-11-2008 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by stylingolf (Post 298061)
It could happen to anybody that becomes complacient but, they are upgrading 2 year guys now and hiring 250 total time new hires.

Where did you hear they were hiring 250 total time new hires

Jetjock65 01-11-2008 09:36 PM

Dont think it has anything at all to do with how fast you upgrade-BUT bringing 250 hr students into the cockpit of a Jet and putting them at an airport like Atlanta on the other hand is a HUGE Problem. We will be seeing more of these types of things in the future, due to the people companys are putting in the cockpits. I do not let any of My familly and Friends Fly on airlines that have such crazy hiring mins., such as ASA, MESA etc., and you all that have any regard for your famillys safety should not either
But we should all remember that this can happen to anyone, 250, 2500, and even 25,000 hr guys. Be safe out there guys n gals.

Jetjock65 01-11-2008 09:38 PM

Actually BLKFLYER the have no mins if you have a stupid RJ Transition course. Sick if you ask me

mike734 01-11-2008 09:46 PM

1250 feet! You mean the 757 was almost at pattern altitude when it past? Doesn't sound that close to me.

Speedbird172 01-11-2008 09:53 PM


Originally Posted by mike734 (Post 298081)
1250 feet! You mean the 757 was almost at pattern altitude when it past? Doesn't sound that close to me.

I think they mean it came within 1250 feet of the RJ, presumably still on the rwy as the ASA crossed in front of it. Oops! (to ASA, not you....)

afterburn81 01-11-2008 10:18 PM


Originally Posted by Jetjock65 (Post 298075)
Dont think it has anything at all to do with how fast you upgrade-BUT bringing 250 hr students into the cockpit of a Jet and putting them at an airport like Atlanta on the other hand is a HUGE Problem. We will be seeing more of these types of things in the future, due to the people companys are putting in the cockpits. I do not let any of My familly and Friends Fly on airlines that have such crazy hiring mins., such as ASA, MESA etc., and you all that have any regard for your famillys safety should not either
But we should all remember that this can happen to anyone, 250, 2500, and even 25,000 hr guys. Be safe out there guys n gals.

Just a quick note on 250 hour new hires. Im pretty sure most people would agree that the CA does the taxiing. This crazy upgrade thing has only recently taken place in the past year or so. The CA should have had over 2500TT to even be there and chances are he/she had more. I don't really know what it all has to do with 250hr new hires. I actually know of the crew that was on board that aircraft and they both have a bit of seniority under their belts. Guess what it all boils down to is that we are only human. I can't believe that doesn't happen more if you ask me. Completely amazes me.


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