Pinnacle CRJ-900 Rates
 

Here are the rates that the company is imposing for the CRJ-900, retroactive to eash pilots qualification date. These rates did not come from the arbitrator, they are the rates the company has proposed to the arbitrator. If the arbitrators rate is higher, adjustments will be made.

First Officer, Same as 50 seat Aircraft

Captain

YOS RATE
0-1 57.40
1-2 59.69
2-3 61.65
3-4 63.66
4-5 65.58
5-6 67.55
6-7 69.31
7-8 71.44
8-9 73.63
9-10 75.86
10-11 78.12
11-12 80.51
12-13 82.94
13-14 85.40
14-15 87.37
15-16 88.77
16-17 90.22
17-18 91.64

Source????

Memo from CS in everyones v file

Ok. I have been off for the past two days. I'm sure I will see it when I start my trip tomorrow. Thanks. Those rates are pitiful.

Pinnacle Airlines..... Simply the best at giving 1400 pilots the shaft at the same time.

When does the arbitrator decide?

It was supposed to be last year but then got pushed back to the end of January.... Well today is the 31st and tomorrow is the 1st and no decision yet.... Who knows...

hahahaha,, company imposed rates. well the sad thing is our "company" imposed rates are as good as skywests new rates. man will these guys ever learn. at least we know we will be able to get a higher rate if and when we sign a contract. we will never sign a contract with the rates the company is imposing, a negotiated rate will obviously be higher than their low ball offer.

Figures...:rolleyes:

Just when I think they can't surprise me they do two things in one day. First crew scheduling left me a message saying that I was Junior Manned and HAD to call them for my assignment..... please.... then these joke pay rates.... Simply the best.... at what?

Actually, those rates are 5% less for CAs and as much as 54% less for FOs.

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YOS RATE
0-1 57.40.................................1 58
1-2 59.69.................................2 60
2-3 61.65 ................................3 62
3-4 63.66.................................4 63
4-5 65.58.................................5 66
5-6 67.55.................................6 68
6-7 69.31 ................................7 70
7-8 71.44 ................................8 72
8-9 73.63 ................................9 74
9-10 75.86 ..............................10 76
10-11 78.12 ............................11 79
11-12 80.51 ...........................12 81
12-13 82.94 ............................13 83
13-14 85.40 ............................14 86
14-15 87.37 ............................15 88
15-16 88.77 ............................16 89
16-17 90.22 .............................17 91
17-18 91.64 .............................18 92

pretty close. you are right though, i was going off some one elses post,, decided to put them both here to compare. remember these are company imposed rates which they know are low ball rates, and yet we are just a dollar off. keep in mind they also round up the rates on apc,, so let me do that for you.

of course you see the big difference in pay for the really senior guys.. you can think your sapa leaders at skywest for giving themselves a huge raise will taking a dump on the rest of the employees.

I used our exact numbers from the new payrates, not what APC had. I hope the FOs get paid more on the -900 in your negotiated rate.

LOL! They left the same message on my voicemail today on my day off!

Looks like Pinnacle -900 pilots are going to get a big retroactive bonus check sometime soon.

Those rates definately are pitiful. Good luck on your next contract. I suggest you look at Republic's rates for the EMB-175 and Horizon's rates for the CRJ-700. Those are definately the lowest 900 rates I have ever seen. And don't even get me started on FO pay.


BTW, Skywest is one of the lower paid -900 operators. Yet look at their rates compared to Pinnacle.

YOS RATE SKYWEST
0-1 57.40.....60
1-2 59.69.....62
2-3 61.65.....65
3-4 63.66.....67
4-5 65.58.....69
5-6 67.55.....71
6-7 69.31.....73
7-8 71.44.....75
8-9 73.63.....77
9-10 75.86.....80
10-11 78.12.....83
11-12 80.51.....86
12-13 82.94.....88
13-14 85.40.....91
14-15 87.37.....93
15-16 88.77.....96
16-17 90.22.....97
17-18 91.64.....101

Skywest tops out at 105.


I am not defending Skywest. They are one of the lower paid 900 operators (in terms of straight rates), along with Mesaba. These rates are terrible.
Good luck Pinnacle.

yeah i just posted this at the top of this page. if you round our rates up, like they do skywests rates we are only a dollar or two behind them till they top out. of course like i said earlier the reason they top out so high is because sapa gave themselves a huge raise while taking a crap on the rest of the employees.

You can't even discuss your own crappy rates without dragging Skywest into it some how? Pathetic. You will try to drag Skywest through the mud every chance you get. Some how it makes you feel better about the conditions you deal with every day. Have fun dealing with a management team that tries to screw you every day of the week. I will gladly keep what I have here at Skywest.


Rant over.

Those are comparable rates to what Comair has (for captains not FO's), which were crammed down our throats in BK (essentially they took the SkyWest pay at the time, no over ride at that point).

I still don't believe you have the correct Skywest payrates up for the 900. The Skywest apc profile hasnt been updated yet. I seriously doubt that when you factor in all the soft time and duty rigs that any captain at Pinnacle will make anything close to a captain at skywest with the same senority.

Let's keep SkyWest out of this thread, shall we? Anybody arguing that we're even in the same league with that payscale is certifiable.

easy there wavit,, what you fail to realize is that these are COMPANY IMPOSED RATES,, YOURS WERE VOTED ON AND APPROVED BY YOUR PILOT GROUP. if by 18 days off this month and crappy pay are the conditions you talk about that i have to deal with then yeah, its terrible. i work 4, 3 day trips in the middle of the week this month. i get crappy pay and will get to go to newark to picket. and your management team screws you over every day of the week, but the difference is we fight back, and you guys approve the screwing with a nearly 80 percent approval rate... now come on wavit dont hate a brother, i have flown over wavit probably as many times as you have. i could have gone to skywest just like the majority of my friends did nearly 3 years ago. i may be the only one from my school here at pinnacle but i certainly dont wish i would have gone to skywest then. hell maybe after we strike and get fired i will end up working for skywest anyway. or maybe you guys will buy us. that would be nice.

I was a little over the top for that I apologize. Just curious, what school did you go to?

well since a lot of the guys here know where i went i wont say the specific school. the reason being is that if they saw what school i went to they would know who i am and inturn know my source and i dont want to get any one in trouble. i will say this. pvu was a cross country for me, just barely.. :) i think it was 54 miles if i remember right... did you go to uvsc? the first 20 or so times i flew down there were white knuckle events,, nothing like being number 8 on the extended downwind over the lake huh trying to find a white katana against the snow in the mountains?? :) after they got the tower though things seemed to calm down, but i left about 1 month after it opened.

I did go to UVSC. Yes PVU was a fight for your life everyday. Even after the tower but to a lesser extent. I am pretty sure I know where you went.

so yeah i dont have anything against skywest, and never have. most of the bones i pick on here are what my buddies tell me. as far as quality of life and actual pay i have never tried to compare pinnacle and skywest. infact the reason i wrote what i wrote is because one of my buddies at skywest and i were chatting on im when i saw that someone posted the rates. i sent them to him and he is the one who actually got ****ed because our forced rates where almost as good as the recent vote you guys had. so like i said most of my skywests posts are straight from your fellow pilots. and yeah i have a lot of friends from uvsc. lots of you guys would come up and get checked out in our planes and fly our sim. its to bad what happened to uvsc. i heard they fired the dean that built the school up and that he started a school down in spanish.

hahaha, well now that we have taken this thread in a whole new direction i will try and bring it back. these pay rates will never stand, and we will never vote for something that will pay the fo's the same rates...

Here comes the bash skywest thread of the night. You can compare payrates all you want but we make more on our w2s than 9 out of 10 of the regionals out there with our bonuses and rewards not to mention we don't get taxed by alpa for 2%. Flame On

LOL.. I love this My Swartz is Bigger than Yours.. LOL. brethren why do we fight at this level.. Last Time I checked A regional is a regional is regional..

Why should a CRJ900 FO fly it for the same as a CRJ200 FO. Stand up for whats right guys.

Both sets of rates are pathetic, buts whats more pathetic is that SkyWest pilots agreed to their rates. The race to the bottom continues.

Kinda hard for ya to prove that, huh? Enjoy your 1% COLA raise.:rolleyes:

Can someone post the rates for the 900 for each carrier that flys that a/c so we can do some side-by-side comparisons?



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Incorrect on all counts. I have the w2's to prove it (Two of my best friends work at skywest and we've compared). You really make your peers look bad when you post silly things like this. BTW all three of us got a good laugh out of your post, previously censored by the moderators, I suppose laughing is not a good thing.

Laugh to your hearts content. Just keep it off the fourms. Your post was inappropriate.

Heck forget the -900, Pinnacle's FO pay is bad for the -200!!! Our 2nd year 50 seat FO pay is equal (if not a little more) than 9E's FOURTH year pay.

How many seats are on their 900's? Is it 76 like XJ?

I love how they imposed rates with the FO rates the same. When a few months ago they sent out a memo saying the FO's need a raise and they wanted to raise 2nd year pay to $30hr. What a joke. I they really cared they would have imposed $30 2nd yr. What a bunch of rats. Krama Clive, Krama.

The SKW -900 new rates from year one through ten are:

59.59
61.95
64.84
66.67
68.78
70.88
73.24
75.07
77.70
80.33

I make more on the 50 seat RJ at ASA........Nice!

I dont understand why the company wants to raise the pay NOW for the -900 guys. Even though its only a 5% increase, and for captains only, they are not obligated to increase the pay above the -200 rate until the arbitrator makes his decision.

There is another motive here

Be nice if you regional sheep would focus on your real problem - ALPA. If you put some effort into forcing ALPA, who claims to have political pull, to change the Railway Act life would change immediately. Sort of ironic the retirement age gets raised to 65, but the 4 year contract renegotiations continue. Wonder who benefits from all that conflict? (For those of you in Memphis - it would be ALPA.)

For the record I think the Skywest folks have proved they make more money and have a better QOL then the 9E's will ever have all without the ALPA tax.

You are stupidly naive if you think ALPA, or any other entity, would ever be able to change the Railway Labor Act. ALPA does have political pull, but do you really think any politician, regardless of their political affiliation, will lobby for a change to long-standing law that would make it easier for airline employees to strike?

You "misunderestimate" ALPA's power and clout...not surprising because most pilots don't know *** ALPA really does or is capable of. Hell, most pilots don't even realize THEY ARE ALPA.

Its WAY to premature to suggest even such a thing. "Better than 9E will ever have", eh? I suppose we'll see...

I hate to stick my foot into this, but any pay comparison after year 1 at Pinnacle is almost irrelevant (right now) since most people have upgraded at 1.5-2 YOS.

I'm out.