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Spooled 02-02-2008 07:03 AM

Pinnacle Negotiations
 
I heard the recent negotiations at Pinnacle did not go well. Basically management is stalling again...


Should I put my stuff in there?

Why doesn't the pilot group man up, and do what ASA did before they got their contract?

XtremeF150 02-02-2008 07:11 AM

Although I'm not at Pinnacle I have to say that I have been impressed with their resolve to get a better contract installed. While I think the work rules / pay need improvement, I think they are on their way to a better days....The pilot group seems to be together on this one too...which in this day and time is a breath of fresh air.

FlyingKiwi 02-02-2008 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by Spooled (Post 312599)
I heard the recent negotiations at Pinnacle did not go well. Basically management is stalling again...


Should I put my stuff in there?

Why doesn't the pilot group man up, and do what ASA did before they got their contract?

There's one reason the recent negotiations didn't "go well" Spooled......
It's because we're standing up for what we think is right!!! To me, that is manning up.
Maybe you should go to ASA then if you think things are all rosey over there...

tcraft 02-02-2008 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by Spooled (Post 312599)
I heard the recent negotiations at Pinnacle did not go well. Basically management is stalling again...


Should I put my stuff in there?

Why doesn't the pilot group man up, and do what ASA did before they got their contract?

Man up? Ever considered a position in management?

waflyboy 02-02-2008 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by Spooled (Post 312599)
Why doesn't the pilot group man up, and do what ASA did before they got their contract?

Holy crap. Strong words, brah! Do you have any idea what the Pinnacle group has been doing?

Spooled 02-02-2008 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by waflyboy (Post 312639)
Holy crap. Strong words, brah! Do you have any idea what the Pinnacle group has been doing?

No I don't. What has the pilot group been doing? I know the union has been doing everything they can. But what have the pilots been doing? Blocking out late?

waflyboy 02-02-2008 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by Spooled (Post 312642)
No I don't. What has the pilot group been doing? I know the union has been doing everything they can. But what have the pilots been doing? Blocking out late?

The pilots ARE the union!

You come in with a pretty strong opinion for somebody who doesn't even work in the business.

Spooled 02-02-2008 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by waflyboy (Post 312654)
The pilots ARE the union!

You come in with a pretty strong opinion for somebody who doesn't even work in the business.

You failed to answer my question. What are the pilots doing?

You know as well as I do, that the pilots are not the union. 90% of the pilots sit back and watch. They don't volunteer their time.
We do know 13% of the pilot group could care less.

iahflyr 02-02-2008 08:38 AM

Honestly, I think the ASA pilots accepted a subpar contract compared to what they could have gotten. Even with their raises, they are still well below Horizon, Republic, Expressjet, Eagle. And now with Pinnacle, Mesa, Horizon, Republic, and a few others starting negotiations, they will be towards the bottom of the totem poll very shortly. I think ASA caved on their TA.
I think (and hope) that Pinnacle will hold out for much better than ASA. How about shooting above Expressjet, or Republic, or maybe even Horizon. A strike would help your chances of achieving these rates.

BoilerUP 02-02-2008 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by iahflyr
A strike would help your chances of achieving these rates.

Be that as it may, they aren't likely to be released.


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