Yea, I just think it's funny to call it a K Mart King Air :D

Sure plus 70kts

I would like to echo bustinmins sentiments. I too spent just under 10 years at Mesa. Going there is a BAD idea. Even if you lived in base, it is a BAD idea. That company will try its hardest to anger/violate/upset/fire/kill you. These are not the ramblings of a few disgruntled former employees. These are rock solid FACTS.

I am telling you pilot to pilot....DO NOT take a job at Mesa. GO for the practice....and LEAVE.

#1. Friend don't let friends fly for MAG.
:D
#2. You are going to get JA's etc. so much you will not have days off AND the line you are awarded will be reassigned SO MUCH it will not be the one you fly.

#3. Don't expect a quick upgrade with 500 pic and 600 total. you have about 1000 pic left needed to upgrade, or pic x 2 for sic time needed. This will be about 2 or more years at MAG before you can upgrade here.

I will bet that Skywest would hire you in a New York minute. Don't waste your life over here at MAG- it is a joke that will wear you down and burn you out. Find employment where you will be respected (more at least). You should still interview for the practice though.

G'luck.

Some IOE captain will beat him down

With your flight time, you could go to....

Expressjet, Pinnacle, Mesaba, ASA, American Eagle, Comair, Air Wisconsin, PSA, Piedmont, and several others. All of these airlines are in a different league than Mesa.

The reason why EVERYONE on this board is telling you not to go to Mesa is because it is the advice they would give their closest friends and family. Mesa is the most poorly run airline in the world. Pilot morale is terrible and management is doing one hell of a job of running the airline into the ground.

In the next 2-3 years, I predict Mesa will loose most to all of their United and US Air flying. Those airplanes have to go somewhere, and that will either be the desert (ie, retired), or China. Mesa will continue to shrink (as they have been over the last year or so). In addition to your delayed upgrade, you will be costing yourself tens of thousands of dollars in lost wages, perhaps one hundred thousand dollars by not choosing a quality airline like Skywest, Expressjet, Republic. When Mesa goes under, or you get fed up working there, you will have to go back to these airlines anyway, so why not just start there.

Personally, I think going to Mesa is like investing in Enron. Actually, people had no clue that Enron was going to go bust. So how about like investing in some company that everyone knew would go bust. Are you willing to risk several years of your life with Mesa...


When you come back on here in a few years asking "Is Skywest hiring?", or "What are the mins at Republic?", or "What is the junior base at Expressjet?", we will all be as helpful to you as we possibly can. We will be as helpful as we all are today by telling you to NOT go to Mesa. But we will not have any sympathy. Rather, we will mention, "I told you so!"
We are telling you NOT to go to Mesa for a good reason. You can take everyone's advice, or you can choose to ignore it. The decision is up to you.

Personally, the sooner you realize that Mesa is not the place to get your time, the sooner you will be on your way to a successful career. Every minute you spend at Mesa is time you are taking away from your final career destination, and costing you lots of money.

I have spelled it out as best as I can. Do not go to Mesa!!!

"SuperPilot" as you put it...if you go to MAG you deserve everything & I do mean everything you get. Your "20 of PIC in a GA turboprop" is a crock. Sorry to bust your bubble but obviously you've got alot to learn with your > 600 hours of flight time. Take the advice of everyone on this board and DO NOT go for that excuse for an airline (which includes GoFarts). Unless you enjoy ridicule (deserved) and denied jumpseats (also deserved). They have done more to drag this career done than anyone. But to each his own. With your screen name I sure you've figured it out though by now. Best of luck to you!

take advise
 

My first couple of semesters in College I set a short term goal: Finish my Associates Degree and go to Gulfstream Academy. I personally went to FT. LAUDERDALE, FL while doing my PVT training and they really made me believe that they were the Best option of the PLANET. Then I got to know this forum.... so I decided to check what do Airline Pilots think about all that Gulfstream idea.... geezzz....I got very angry when i read all the comments. I was new to this website and i NEVER expected the 80% of the people here telling me that i shouldn't do that. I got really mad and I tried not to listen. But i couldn't keep myself from thinking about those comments.... after a couple of weeks they just made click on me and i decided to change my short-term goal...

Now im willing to become a CFI, CFII, MEI .... and get a Bachelor before making any move to an Airline (BTW Thanks to every single person in this forum who cares about their coleagues and are always willing to give ADVISE). So, in other words... MY ADVISE: TAKE ADVISE... If I were you, I would listen to them, they are airline pilots...they are very into this business... just take a few days to really think about it...and think about the "possibility" of trying another regional. I know you should be now thinking: Geez what do they know about me?? I can do whatever I want to do with my life!!!!!, and yes you are absolutely right, we don't know anything about you except that you have 600/200's hours flying.... we dont know if you have a DUI, we dont know if you got your license revoked 4 times, we dont know if you have something against the other regionals.... We dont know ANYTHING. We are just giving some advise, that's it. The decision is ENTIRELY up to YOU if you take it or leave it!

Do what you think is going to be better for YOUR future, and your family if you plan to have one (or already have one)...

Hope this helps!

Jose.

That is the dumbest thing I've ever read on here and a ridiculous reason to go to a crappy airline.:rolleyes:

Its advice, not advise. But thats good advice ebuhoner:D

I caution you to use this as a deciding factor in choosing an airline. I did the same thing, and went to an airline I wasn't super excited about because I had a really good friend there. Short story long, he ended up dying in a plane crash a couple of weeks before my ground school started. With him not around, I realized I didn't really want to be with that company. I would say that starting your career in the airlines is a complicated and lengthy process. There are many differences between companies that could effect your decision. IMHO try to find a place that you can stand to fly at for 5-10 years. Who knows where your buddy or Mesa will be in a couple of years. Good luck, do some research and you'll be fine!

I was at Mesa for 8 years. I was just about to give you a long-winded, constructive and professional dissertation of why you shouldn't go to Mesa, especially when so many "higher quality" regionals are hiring.

...Then I stumbled upon this comment.

All I have to say now is go for it!

You deserve it;)

That is the most short-sighted way to run your life - and if you continue to do so (making life-decisions on such trivial conditions), you'll find things don't work out just as you had planned...

For once, I agree with everybody here - you are a perfect match for MAG.

Jesse-

Most of these posts may come across as arrogant or mean, but the moral of the story is that we all know that Mesa is not a good place to work. I used to work there and have since moved on to a 'real airline'. Completely different. A 'real airline' will value your skills and respect your days off. Mesa doesn't.

Don't take these comments personally, take them seriously because its the best career advice that anyone could get. No kidding. Everyone says don't work for Mesa because they don't want to see another good potential pilot get dragged into Mesa crap. Your friend probably tells you he likes Mesa but he hasn't worked for a company that is good so he has no comparison.

He's still your friend and thats cool but he might have what is called 'crappy company pride.'

By going to work there you will drag the industry down by working for their super sub par work rules. If you go work for a good company it will help the profession. There' a reason Mesa is starving for pilots, its because hundreds leave every year cause they are sick of it (like me), and the company is having trouble finding pilots as more and more get educated here about working for sub-par airlines on the forums.

Anyone here ever PHX based???

MESA PWIDE EVERYBODY!!!!
MESA PWIDE!
:D:D:D

You will know what I am talking about if you were, and all I can say is LOL! LOLLOLLOL!!!!!!!
Bwahahahaha!

Let him go to Mesa. He can handle anything!

Too funny man! Ah, the good old days.:D

Why do we even try?! If it wasn't flamebait (highly unlikely), he's not going to listen anyway. Let's just write it off...

OR..... Maybe he's a really good pilot?

Thats what he said...arrogant.:rolleyes: