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navigatro 02-11-2008 07:19 AM

I had an FAA guy show up for a type ride last year. It did make the ride more stressful, but it was self induced. Overall, it went well, and I passed. During the debrief, the evaluator critiqued the type ride for about 5-10 minutes.

Then the FAA inspector and I discussed general airline and safety topics for about 30 minutes. I learned a lot from this informative discussion. The FAA inspector was friendly, helpful, and professional.

ExperimentalAB 02-11-2008 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by navigatro (Post 318420)
Then the FAA inspector and I discussed general airline and safety topics for about 30 minutes. I learned a lot from this informative discussion. The FAA inspector was friendly, helpful, and professional.

What the heck is he doing with the FAA then?? :confused: I have yet to meet an FAA employee that could be considered a fair and decent human...

Slice 02-11-2008 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by samdog (Post 318367)
I just had my first year PC, and well, it didn't go so well. My captain was from the standards dept, and my instructor was being observed by a manager from the training department. So needless to say, I was pretty nervous. If I screwed something up, I had 3 guys yelling at me.
I came back two days later, retrained, and finished my re-check in about 30 mins. with a new captain and a new sim instructor.
I was humiliated, as I never failed a check-ride in my life. It is quite a feeling to be pulled off-line and off payroll. You feel like a horrible pilot. I know I would have passed had I not had the three training dept. guys in there with me (a probationary FO). Was this legal? Oh well, I really hope this doesn't come back to haunt me.

Well, with the instructor being checked you may have tied his hands by not performing up to standards. Bottom line, if you flew well enough to pass you would have passed. I don't suggest retelling the above story when you have to explain the bust in a future interview. And yes, it's legal.:rolleyes:

Slice 02-11-2008 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by navigatro (Post 318420)
I had an FAA guy show up for a type ride last year. It did make the ride more stressful, but it was self induced. Overall, it went well, and I passed. During the debrief, the evaluator critiqued the type ride for about 5-10 minutes.

Then the FAA inspector and I discussed general airline and safety topics for about 30 minutes. I learned a lot from this informative discussion. The FAA inspector was friendly, helpful, and professional.

I've found over the last 15 years that most feds are good guys. The problem is that you can't always identify the d-bags until it's too late.:mad:

RJ Pilot 02-11-2008 12:27 PM

Let me guess. Low time guys(500hrs) are the ones with troubles?

BZNpilot248 02-11-2008 12:35 PM

I can see how the low time guys could have problems after a year if they never had a chance to get the fundamentals down before they went to an airline. Maybe they squeaked through the initial but hand flying instrument skills and flying fundamentals were never that great - say they got by with help from captains and automation for the first year and it might bite them during the probationary PC. And as said above this is a good time for the company to weed out people they don't like.

ExperimentalAB 02-11-2008 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by BZNpilot248 (Post 318557)
I can see how the low time guys could have problems after a year if they never had a chance to get the fundamentals down before they went to an airline. Maybe they squeaked through the initial but hand flying instrument skills and flying fundamentals were never that great - say they got by with help from captains and automation for the first year and it might bite them during the probationary PC. And as said above this is a good time for the company to weed out people they don't like.

Yeah, well it doesn't help that all these RJ-Drivers are telling Probies that the "Jet wasn't made to be hand-flown," and that you "need the automation..." :rolleyes:

Like I said - there are pepple who fly planes, and then there are Pilots.

Slice 02-11-2008 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 318569)
Yeah, well it doesn't help that all these RJ-Drivers are telling Probies that the "Jet wasn't made to be hand-flown," and that you "need the automation..." :rolleyes:

Like I said - there are pepple who fly planes, and then there are Pilots.

No, that's just what you tell the guys you don't trust to hand fly. :D

RJ Pilot 02-11-2008 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 318569)
Yeah, well it doesn't help that all these RJ-Drivers are telling Probies that the "Jet wasn't made to be hand-flown," and that you "need the automation..." :rolleyes:

Like I said - there are pepple who fly planes, and then there are Pilots.

There is more to it than flying approaches in the sim. Even a monkey can do it. Its just lack of experience,judgment,and skills that these low timers suffer the most.

ToiletDuck 02-11-2008 03:18 PM

Has anyone figured out where he works?


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