The reason I question this United Capt is because when I got to the gate I asked the gate agent if I could take the jumpseat since it was looking like a full flight and she said that there were two jumpseaters already and that they were cleared by the capt. I'm not saying anything bad about the capt because United crews have been pretty good to me and they are always nice so maybe this particular capt was just being extra nice. Who knows

Whoever put that back in Wikipedia....I owe you a beer! Thank you!

Ha! That's great! LOL:D

Go Jet
 

About 10 months ago I lost my job and was looking for work. I sent a resume to Go Jet. At the time I didn't know anything about them. They called and offered a PIC position over the phone. So that got me wondering what was going on with them. I didn't take the job. However, I was kind of surprised by what I found in my research.

I called ALPA to find out where they stood on the company. They said that they had no issue with the company or any of the pilots.

I found this website where I got a ridiculed for brining up the subject.

The only ones that seems to give a crap about Go Jet being in business are the pilots at all the other airlines.

From a business standpoint Go Jet makes sense if you own the company. It was a way for them to get around contracts an a more expensive payroll. However, it never works out for them. Because, as soon as they have the chance the employee groups are going to get representation with a union. After a couple of years with the union trying to get the profits filtering to the employees it becomes a loser deal anyways. Freedom really transformed Mesa's profit base didn't it. So who will be the next company to try it. Which CEO has a big enough ego to think that they can pull it off.

Here were my reasons not to go work there:

Pain in the ass to commute to St. Louis
Getting the stink eye from pilots for the rest of my career
The pay

People are going to take those low level jobs. If someone wants in the industry bad enough they will take just about any job they can get. Its not like Go Jet is going to take down the industry with their 15 airplanes and 150 pilots.

As an aside only company that seems to be able to function without a union is Skywest.

Theres just a few of us. :):)

If I worked at United I would be ****ed. Every time I come across a Go Jetter in ORD they are trying to pass off as United Pilots. Last time I was in ORD I was in the hotel restraunt I started talking to a guy. After a few minutes he said he flew for United. We talked for a few but I never really told him I was a pilot also. The next day I saw him in the airport waiting at a gate so I went up to say hi. As I got close I realized he was in a Go Jet Uniform. He saw me and made eye contact I just said "you're pathetic" and walked off. I am glad I don't feel like I need to pretend like I am someone I'm not.

I was at Flight Safety in St. Louis last year and asked the receptionist why there was such a large group in one of the traing room classes. She told me that it was an airline class, when I asked what airline she chuckled and said GOJet. Now the Flight Safety in St. Louis that we attend is called the F.S. Sabreliner Training center, she said that the Main Flight Safety in St. Louis had transfered them here because there was not enough room for them. I was there doing my recurrent for 4 days, and during that time not one of those guys/gals ever made eye contact or spoke to us while we were there, wich is extremley wierd because everyone there always socialize while in the breakroom , etc.
My sim partner and I were talking about how wierd these guys seemed and just kept thinking that maybe these guys where just suffering from the waterhose effect and worrying about washing out of training or something anyways we just thought they were a strange bunch, and couldnt figure them out.

Well 10 mos. later and I join a forum called APC and finally figured out those wierdo's in St. Louis,THEY WERE EMBARESSED to be attending a ground school for a company like they were hahahahahahahahahaha

The first thing I did was call the receptionist at F. S. (a good friend of mine while im in town for the past 4yrs.) and asked her about these guys- she said she thought when she told me their company name that I knew about them and thats why she started laughing when i asked her who they were. She told me that the other FS had asked to have them attend the class there so they could keep them seperated out from another company that was also in training there-

Does ATA do there training through F.S. in St. Louis?

Just thought I'd let you guys know about my only contact with these scabs, I guess they thought that they might get eaten alive by us if we knew what they were.

I thought they started GoJet because a scope clause with American said they couldn't operate 70 seat jets?

yes, that's why the certificate was created. however, when the TSA pilot group said, "sure we'll fly the 700s, but we want more money to do that, as it's a bigger plane." uncle hulas' grip on his wallet tightened, and suddenly this Trans States Holdings sprang up, along with gojet.

I was at FSI in St. Louis (the other facility) a few months ago and the scabs were crawling all over that place. Not ONE of them made eye contact with anybody and the few who were clueless enough to attempt the breakroom.....well you could cut the tension in there with a knife.

Interesting. If that's the case, I wonder why more people aren't ****ed off at Skywest for the same reason? They fly the -700 for about the same rates (not to MENTION the -900 for equal pay??!?!?), according to the info on this website. The captain pay is only about $3 off at GoJet? Just wondering...

Because SKW wasn't formed as an alter ego to undermine the pilot group at any one airline.

Without even getting into the difference between what GoJet did and winning a contract:

SKW second-year -200: $35/hr
GJ third-year -700: $34/hr

SkyWest CA pay is higher than GoJet CA pay on the -700 every step of the way. Additionally, SKW is block-or-better, while GJ is not.

You need to quit more than Eagle my friend. :confused: :rolleyes:

Don’t forget about all of our soft pay. Daily guarantees, 2:1 duty rig, premium pay after 12 hours of scheduled duty (1:1 for every minute), block or better, 100% cancellation pay plus all overages, 100% deadhead, performance and financial bonus which equate to more than $2500/yr for FO’s (unfortunately performance starts after yr 1 and Financial after yr 2) and around $5000/yr for CA’s, etc.

Do GoJet pilots get any of this? No and it all adds up!

One thing to consider in that difference in extras that Skywest gets and GoJet does not has a lot to do with how long they have been in business.

GoJet has only been at it for a couple of years. It didn't take the pilots too long after start up to unionize and start on that route to get things to where they should be. Though it is going to take a long time to get there.

Skywest on the other hand has been in business a long time. All those soft pay extras that you have access to is the result of the boys down in St. George trying to hold off a union getting a hold of the pilot group.

You've got to compare apples to apples. There is no comparison between Skywest and GoJet. One is a top shelf operator and one is a bottom feeder. I would think that trying to compare GoJet to Mesa might be more realistic.

As and aside, The 4th quarter had a net income of 40.9 Million. How much of that will flow down and how much will it be for a CA/FO?

Good point, except that GoJet is owned by Trans States Holdings, which has been in the airline business for a few years.

It's nice to see it referred to properly as GoJet, without the (s)!

i tell people i fly for us airways express cause noone knows who colgan is, if he thought you were a laymen you cant fault him for that, he probably thought u had no idea who gojets was

Yes the proper name is GoJet better known as BlowJet or ScabJet or LowJet ......etc.

My point wasn't necessarily to compare Skywest to Gojet. Rather to point out that as far as hourly rates are concerned, it doesn't look like GoJet is that much off from some other airlines out there. And it is in fact more than TSA rates (although not much more) on the 145. In this I am referring to CA pay. FO pay sucks, but GoJet/TSA isn't the only place that doesn't differentiate between larger aircraft for FOs.

No argument that Skywest is a better airline. But while we're on the subject, can a Skywest guy enlighten me as to why an agreement was reached to fly the -900 for the same rate as the -700, if in fact that is the case?

Of course - I stand corrected ;)

Simple, it's called:

Jerry Atkin's Black Label Backyard Dixie Moonshine Kool-Aid! :D or just simply Dixie College Hooch!

and most of the pilot's here drink a lot of it.

Geez JJ, you crack me up. That's hilarious!

Yes it's an Atkins’ & SKW family tradition as well as an Atkins’ family recipe pasted down from Jerry’s great grandfather Jedediah. LOL!

I to have found myself drinking it at times but after my wife told me one morning that I was up all night howling at the moon and claiming to the GODS that Jerry must be one of them, I had to cut back. Now day's I drink in moderation while fully respecting the "8 hr from Jerry's bottle to throttle" rule. :D

PS. this is not a knock on SKW pilots, we are a great group but a little to trusting.

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"History
The airline was established in late 2004 by the current owners of Trans States Airlines. The airline was created to undermine the efforts of the Pilots Union at Trans State Airlines. Trans States Holdings was awarded a contract to fly CRJ 700 aircraft for united. The flying should have been flown by Trans States Airline pilots, but the holding company refused to negotiate a fair contract with its workers and started GoJets as an alter ego carrier to bypass the rights of the workers at Trans States Airlines. GoJet was supposed to start on August 4, 2005, but began scheduled passenger services on October 4, 2005 instead. The airline received its initial Air Carrier Operating Certificate in September of 2005. The initial fleet consists of fifteen 66-seat Bombardier CRJ-700 regional jets."

Right out of Wikipedia.

OK I have a couple question here....
Were those pilots taken from TSA (pilot group) to start flying the NEW AIRLINE?
Why didn't TSA pilot went on strike to opposed the magnament?
I think the scabs are the people from magnament...right?
The way I see it (maybe i'm wrong) is,the magnament put a add looking for pilots and people looking for job started applying maybe without knowing the situation.
Correct me if Im wrong.
go jet payscale is not as bad as some other companies like MESA,PIEDMONT,MESABA etc.
thank you

Mesaba's payscale ain't that bad we make just under 23 an hour, talk to those 9E guys that are trying to get more...I don't blame em, we're all practically living in cardboard boxes these days

Some went....the dirty filth that they are..

Not that simple... esp when ALPA is still out looking for its backbone

Scabs= all blowjet pilots, i dont care if you "didnt research my job before going"

Then they are very stupid for doing so.
Quick story, I was forced to dh on them once and as we are getting off the plane, the FO comes over to me and the captain and says sorry and that she didnt know what she was getting into and has already accepted another job at another airline. Thats the only time I have ever acknowledged a blowjetter


Still lower than it should be for 70 seats, plus the contract sucks.

When going to ORD I like to eat at this place in the F gates down towards the end. I always see some Go jetters there. They don't seem to be ashamed in any way, they got big wing patches on their jackets chit chatting with each other. Is that their gates down there something?

i like your picture. I got a similar one.. NO ALTER EAGLE

Mmm...Gyro's.

But back to the subject - I have noticed that in the last few months, they've become quite bold...even leaving their hats with that nasty brass in clear sight! They fly out of the F-gates quite a bit, as well as E2/E3, B22, and the C-gates.

So why is it that GoJet's has a better pay scale than Trans States? This is a serious question, and I'm guessing it was with a new contract?

Why TSA pilots did not strike when Hulas created GJ. Why they turned down the offer to fly the CRJ, 3 times and why ALPA MEC (mr. Dario Miranta if I am not mistaken) jumped ship after GJ was created and left his ALPA fellow pilots at TSA hanging. I have few friends at GJ and all of them are ex TWA/American pilots.Regionals are stepping stones for most of us, unfortunatelly it's an on going war between regionals about who is getting what flying contract. I think certain regionals over or under bid others on getting contracts with some Majors or Legacy airlines etc etc. If you ask me the down fall of the majors/legacy airlines is the assign of flying to the regionals. I am sure that 90% of the regional pilots are there flying for regionals just because they need the time and a foot on the industry.
18$/ph and 25$ or even 40$ is a absolute EMBARASMENT for airline pilots.
SO lets just get our feet on the door, get our expirience and move on to something bigger or better or both. I had GJ pilots on my jumpseat and TSA and SKW and Colgan etc etc. They are all the same. Pilots. I have also seen SouthWest cptns and AirTran capt to kick of TSA pilots because the said something about GJ, and the opposite ofcourse. Also few dear friends of mine, pretty high in seniority at TSA (around 13-16 years at TSA) they admit that it was their fault that they lost the GJ flying. I remember when I was at AE and TSA basicaly took my flying as American Connection and I had to seat few more years as an FO (nothing wrong with that) on the 700.Boy I was mad at them.But it's not the pilots fault.. Companies make agreements and they decide. Not us. Unfortunatelly.

it's a brand new contract they signed back in august or so. the TSA contract is 7 years old.

before the blojet contract was signed, they were paid exactly the same as the TSA pilots, minus the work rules (yay 6-day trips with the req. 24hrs off at an outstation right into another 6 day trip), pay protection, block or better, or any other thing we generally take for the minimum we'll work for.

the original 5 pilots were hand selected by mgmt and were generally disliked by the rest of the pilot group (or so a lot of captains told me) before they went scab.

and TSA ALPA did fight against the creation of blowjet. however, the judge ruled against them in that their scope clause didn't apply (it said Trans states airlines, not trans states holdings in the contract) and hulas could do as he pleased with his "entirely seperate company." except they used the same training dept, recruiting office, and dispatch for a couple of years.

because Hulas was offering them too little to fly the plane.

another reason to never let an accountant own your airline.

Yeah I used to eat at the Greek place in F back when all of that UE flying out of ORD was ACA and Air WI. Then one day I got a memo that said I had to give 12% of my paycheck because TSA and Mesa were lowballing us and going after our routes. Long story short bottom price won and I collected unemployment from the state of Virginia. Airline management are scum, ALPA is impotent, if you dont like sell stocks. But dont bash other pilots for feeding their families. It was never your flying, its Uniteds

Absolutely true. Also I think that start up pay does not last forever. Not that I agree on how much GJ TSA AE SKW COLGAN etc etc pilots are getting pay but as you said. ACCOUNTANTS RUNS THE SHOW. Thanks for a proffessional reply

Exactly. Let's face it, just about every regional was/is at one time or another "hated" by some other regional for "taking its flying." When I was at Eagle, we said (and some continue to say) the same things about TSA and CHQ, that TSA guys are now saying about GoJet, and even had a sticker that looks comically similar to the one I've seen about "No Alter Ego Jets," or something to that effect.

The second we stop pointing the finger at the pilots of whatever regional happens to be the scapegoat of the time, the sooner we all make a step toward real progress.

well I guess my point was right....scabs=management,no pilots .We're looking for the same thing. Do what we love to do and if we get lucky move on to better planes ,better pay.Right?

Yeah, thats the name. Great greasy food. Good down home cooking:D

bull.

they are scabs, and thats what were gonna continue to call them. Dont steer this thread towards giving them sympathy. Maybe the flying should have been accepted then fought to raise the pay AFTER it was TSA pilots flying it, but its in the past and we cant change that.