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IQuitEagle 02-14-2008 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by btwissel (Post 320160)
yes, that's why the certificate was created. however, when the TSA pilot group said, "sure we'll fly the 700s, but we want more money to do that, as it's a bigger plane." uncle hulas' grip on his wallet tightened, and suddenly this Trans States Holdings sprang up, along with gojet.


Interesting. If that's the case, I wonder why more people aren't ****ed off at Skywest for the same reason? They fly the -700 for about the same rates (not to MENTION the -900 for equal pay??!?!?), according to the info on this website. The captain pay is only about $3 off at GoJet? Just wondering...

Joeshmoe 02-14-2008 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by IQuitEagle (Post 320200)
Interesting. If that's the case, I wonder why more people aren't ****ed off at Skywest for the same reason? They fly the -700 for about the same rates (not to MENTION the -900 for equal pay??!?!?), according to the info on this website. The captain pay is only about $3 off at GoJet? Just wondering...

Because SKW wasn't formed as an alter ego to undermine the pilot group at any one airline.

POPA 02-14-2008 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by IQuitEagle (Post 320200)
Interesting. If that's the case, I wonder why more people aren't ****ed off at Skywest for the same reason? They fly the -700 for about the same rates (not to MENTION the -900 for equal pay??!?!?), according to the info on this website. The captain pay is only about $3 off at GoJet? Just wondering...

Without even getting into the difference between what GoJet did and winning a contract:

SKW second-year -200: $35/hr
GJ third-year -700: $34/hr

SkyWest CA pay is higher than GoJet CA pay on the -700 every step of the way. Additionally, SKW is block-or-better, while GJ is not.

JetJock16 02-14-2008 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by IQuitEagle (Post 320200)
Interesting. If that's the case, I wonder why more people aren't ****ed off at Skywest for the same reason? They fly the -700 for about the same rates (not to MENTION the -900 for equal pay??!?!?), according to the info on this website. The captain pay is only about $3 off at GoJet? Just wondering...

You need to quit more than Eagle my friend. :confused: :rolleyes:


Originally Posted by POPA (Post 320209)
Without even getting into the difference between what GoJet did and winning a contract:

SKW second-year -200: $35/hr
GJ third-year -700: $34/hr

SkyWest CA pay is higher than GoJet CA pay on the -700 every step of the way. Additionally, SKW is block-or-better, while GJ is not.

Don’t forget about all of our soft pay. Daily guarantees, 2:1 duty rig, premium pay after 12 hours of scheduled duty (1:1 for every minute), block or better, 100% cancellation pay plus all overages, 100% deadhead, performance and financial bonus which equate to more than $2500/yr for FO’s (unfortunately performance starts after yr 1 and Financial after yr 2) and around $5000/yr for CA’s, etc.

Do GoJet pilots get any of this? No and it all adds up!

cl601pilot 02-14-2008 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 320214)
Don’t forget about all of our soft pay. Daily guarantees, premium pay after 12 hours of scheduled duty, 2:1 duty rig, Block or better, 100% cancellation pay plus all overages, 100% deadhead, performance and financial bonus which equate to more than $2500/yr for FO’s (unfortunately performance starts after yr 1 and Financial after yr 2) and around $5000/yr for CA’s, etc.

Do GoJet pilots get any of this? No and it all adds up!

One thing to consider in that difference in extras that Skywest gets and GoJet does not has a lot to do with how long they have been in business.

GoJet has only been at it for a couple of years. It didn't take the pilots too long after start up to unionize and start on that route to get things to where they should be. Though it is going to take a long time to get there.

Skywest on the other hand has been in business a long time. All those soft pay extras that you have access to is the result of the boys down in St. George trying to hold off a union getting a hold of the pilot group.

You've got to compare apples to apples. There is no comparison between Skywest and GoJet. One is a top shelf operator and one is a bottom feeder. I would think that trying to compare GoJet to Mesa might be more realistic.

As and aside, The 4th quarter had a net income of 40.9 Million. How much of that will flow down and how much will it be for a CA/FO?

POPA 02-14-2008 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by cl601pilot (Post 320235)
One thing to consider in that difference in extras that Skywest gets and GoJet does not has a lot to do with how long they have been in business.

Good point, except that GoJet is owned by Trans States Holdings, which has been in the airline business for a few years.

ExperimentalAB 02-14-2008 07:54 AM

It's nice to see it referred to properly as GoJet, without the (s)!

flyguyniner11 02-14-2008 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by WAVIT Inbound (Post 320074)
If I worked at United I would be ****ed. Every time I come across a Go Jetter in ORD they are trying to pass off as United Pilots. Last time I was in ORD I was in the hotel restraunt I started talking to a guy. After a few minutes he said he flew for United. We talked for a few but I never really told him I was a pilot also. The next day I saw him in the airport waiting at a gate so I went up to say hi. As I got close I realized he was in a Go Jet Uniform. He saw me and made eye contact I just said "you're pathetic" and walked off. I am glad I don't feel like I need to pretend like I am someone I'm not.

i tell people i fly for us airways express cause noone knows who colgan is, if he thought you were a laymen you cant fault him for that, he probably thought u had no idea who gojets was

JetJock16 02-14-2008 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 320249)
It's nice to see it referred to properly as GoJet, without the (s)!

Yes the proper name is GoJet better known as BlowJet or ScabJet or LowJet ......etc.

IQuitEagle 02-14-2008 07:59 AM

My point wasn't necessarily to compare Skywest to Gojet. Rather to point out that as far as hourly rates are concerned, it doesn't look like GoJet is that much off from some other airlines out there. And it is in fact more than TSA rates (although not much more) on the 145. In this I am referring to CA pay. FO pay sucks, but GoJet/TSA isn't the only place that doesn't differentiate between larger aircraft for FOs.

No argument that Skywest is a better airline. But while we're on the subject, can a Skywest guy enlighten me as to why an agreement was reached to fly the -900 for the same rate as the -700, if in fact that is the case?


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