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Moe Rudda 02-14-2008 10:47 AM

instructing on the side?
 
What is the policy at your airline regarding your flying activities outside of your full time job? I would like to continue build PIC time when I get that first regional job. (To make me more competitive for a major someday.) Do they feel any differently about club operations (unpaid) than say instructing at an FBO for pay (counting against your 1000per year)? Do your logs get audited or anything? ("What is this 20 hours of instruction given last month?") Or, is it a 'don't ask, don't tell situation? I would not want to loose my airline gig over a stupid side job, but if I can pick up a few extra bucks and/or just log the hours uncompensated it would be nice.

The time was this would not even be an issue, but from what I'm reading a guy might have 2500+ hours one day with only 500pic if they get hired at a regional with low time. The Majors all seem to want that PIC to be over the 1000 hr mark to get the interview, so who knows what they are actualy hiring with.
Anyway thanks for any help you might have to offer. Trying to have any sort of plan on the way up in this business is akin to alpine skiing blind folded.

fosters 02-14-2008 10:50 AM

No "outside commercial flying" at my company.

Who cares if your logs don't get audited. Be a professional. Do what's right because it's the right thing to do. Yes unless you have an accident you can probably get away with it.

Why would you instruct and NOT get paid for it. You are utilizing your certificates for which you paid good money for and sacrificing your time.

PIC in pistons isn't worth squat at the majors unless it's in some big 2 and 4 engine jobs (ie Air Tahoma). Don't waste your time.

dingo222 02-14-2008 10:53 AM

you can teach ground though. I know a guy that does CFI renewal ground stuff and he makes some good money on the weekends. He also met a ton of contacts from other mainline type guys that just want to keep the cfi cert.

Moe Rudda 02-14-2008 10:55 AM

10-4. Foster.
As for the "not paid part" I just mean that clubs and some FBOs don't w-2 instructors. Students pay instructors directly with cash. No proof of compensation then.

fosters 02-14-2008 10:55 AM

A better gig would probably be sim instruction, I know there is an AWAC guy who does some training for ATP's RJ program.

fosters 02-14-2008 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by Moe Rudda (Post 320379)
10-4. Foster.
As for the "not paid part" I just mean that clubs and some FBOs don't w-2 instructors. Students pay instructors directly with cash. No proof of compensation then.

But it's still compensation. If your company allows for outside commercial flying you are fine. If not then it's not allowed. Simple as that.

Moe Rudda 02-14-2008 11:05 AM

Hmmm, Sim instructor couldn't hurt on a resume. CFI clinic idea to network is pretty sweet too...

DMEarc 02-14-2008 11:10 AM

Keep in mind that Instruction is NOT considered commercial flying by the FAA.

fosters 02-14-2008 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by DMEarc (Post 320390)
Keep in mind that Instruction is NOT considered commercial flying by the FAA.

I assume you are referring to flight instruction, in which case that's bad info. Through various legal interps the FAA has said it is. Also ALPA put out a flight and duty time document that considers instructing a commercial operation. We had a big thread about it on here, I can't find it any more though.

Sbaker1595 02-14-2008 11:51 AM

from what i hear usually if its anything outside of part 91 the answer is no

usmc-sgt 02-14-2008 12:54 PM

The only way it can be done is to not be paid or compensated but who wants to give away a service as a professional for free?

Twin Wasp 02-14-2008 02:05 PM

Many glider clubs are set up as non-profit organizations to promote soaring. As such, any expenses you incur helping out become tax write-offs. Forty eight point five cents per mile for the round trip every time you instruct or tow. (Finishing up the tax paperwork.)

DMEarc 02-25-2008 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by fosters (Post 320404)
I assume you are referring to flight instruction, in which case that's bad info. Through various legal interps the FAA has said it is. Also ALPA put out a flight and duty time document that considers instructing a commercial operation. We had a big thread about it on here, I can't find it any more though.

Depends on the FSDO or Sitting Administrator.

The FAA requires a 2nd Class Medical or BETTER to excercise the privileges of a Commercial Pilot Certificate. With that being said, to excercise the Certified Flight Instructor Certificate you only need a 3rd Class Medical.

I was asked this on my CFI oral at the Rochester, NY FSDO. The FAA does NOT consider flight instruction, exercision of the Commerical Ticket.

jedinein 02-25-2008 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by DMEarc (Post 327581)
With that being said, to excercise the Certified Flight Instructor Certificate you only need a 3rd Class Medical.

Currently one does NOT need ANY medical to exercise the CFI certificate. One needs at least a third class medical to ACT as PIC.

A CFI can instruct WITHOUT acting as PIC. I'm doing it, friends are doing it. Your flight instruction client has to be rated and qualified in the plane plus have their medical so they ACT as PIC.

cubanfiredawg 02-28-2008 04:24 PM

Lol
 

Originally Posted by fosters (Post 320404)
Also ALPA put out a flight and duty time document that considers instructing a commercial operation. We had a big thread about it on here, I can't find it any more though.

As long as it's "Ground School" "SIM Training" or "Acting as a Safety Pilot" you should be fine. LOL... Ahh, yet another example as how ALPA is Screwing... I mean helping the regional pilot... So that's what those dues are for:D


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