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wolf 02-20-2008 10:13 PM


Originally Posted by icarosF1 (Post 323952)
AirWillie, i doupt that you know what a scab is. also NOBODY from GJ has been blacklisted by ALPA.


Originally Posted by fit29 (Post 323970)
But will the go jet pilots be blacklisted eventually? or is this just an unofficial blacklist?

No GoJets pilot will ever jumpseat on my aircraft. None of the guys I know at my airline would let them on board either. I don't develop a W&B problem or any other excuse, it's a simple no - end of discusion. Does that count as blacklist?

wolf 02-20-2008 10:39 PM


Originally Posted by AirWillie (Post 323731)
TreverW, I don't know if you're a pilot or whatever. That Eagle VS AAConnection carriers is totally different than Gojet. Gojet is a scab operation, if you choose to go to Gojets you will be blacklisted by ALPA and other pilots, good luck finding a job. Gojet pilots are supporting an operation which was started against union approval, they undermined the bettering of TSA pilot contract, and regional airline pilots, and the whole industry in general. Those CRJ7s that you see are supposed to be TSA airplanes and crews, that is why pilots who go there will be treated accordingly. If you like flying with no dignity, avoiding other's and would like hiding your badge at the airport go ahead and fly for Gojets. Most of the guys that go there are foreign nationals and guys you wouldn't want to share a cockpit anyways.

While I agree with many of your points regarding GoJet, the comment you make about foreign nationals is distasteful and frankly xenophobic. There are plenty of foreign nationals flying at many US airlines just as there are plenty of our pilots flying abroad. You should stick to the valid points and not undermine your otherwise valid argument with cheap shots...

wolf 02-20-2008 10:57 PM


Originally Posted by Senior Skipper (Post 324451)
Wow. I get the feeling these guys are treated like lepers or something.

Not quite, leprosy is curable...;)

soon2bfo 02-20-2008 11:08 PM


Originally Posted by AirWillie (Post 323731)
...Most of the guys that go there are foreign nationals and guys you wouldn't want to share a cockpit anyways.

I have flown with Norwegian, East Indian, Italian, Mexican, and Australian CA's and they have all been great. They all trained in the states, and kept on flying here.

Are you a member of any fascist organizations Willie?

icarosF1 02-20-2008 11:46 PM


Originally Posted by Slice (Post 324586)
Please remove my plane from your avatar, if you're not a fighter pilot or former one. I don't want to be associated with your rants! :rolleyes:

Relax and be carefull, of your comments.

dontsurf 02-21-2008 12:21 AM


Originally Posted by TrevorW (Post 323483)
I'm still trying to understand the whole GoJet issue.

then i'd suggest asking questions instead of making statements that aren't true (see below)


Originally Posted by TrevorW (Post 323483)
GoJet was founded and the TSA pilots were offered the flying 3 times and a single seniority list, they rejected this offer 3 times. I understand the pay was below standard and the TSA pilots rejected the flying in an appreciable attempt to gain a better pay scale but were not successful. GoJet hired their own pilots and began operation. ALPA (Who has not negotiated a new contract for TSA in years) offered to represent GoJet and GoJet rejected that offer by selecting Teamsters. No where in this whole situation was there ever a picket line or a strike. I'm not trying to start a flame war, but I have never seen the non-biased, non-emotional truth written about this.

well, you're certainly not writing truth, non-biased or otherwise.

it is clear to me, and to anyone else who was at tsa when the whole gojets thing went down, that you do not know what you are talking about. you were obviously not there when it happened. you have had some people tell you this or that or the other, and you have put together what you think is a nice little narrative about the order of things and the intentions and responses of the various groups involved. but you are wrong.

i've explained the true reality on this board before. if you want to search my posts, you'll find it somewhere. i don't feel like typing it all out again. i lived through it. it's not "biased" in the sense that i don't know exactly what both sides did, because i do. reality is reality.

short version: tsa holdings management purposefully and blatantly violated our contract in the way they started/staffed gojets with pilots. yes, they had to start the company to fly something bigger. our so-called "legally binding" contract laid out exactly what tsa holdings was supposed to do and how they were supposed to do it. they ignored those parts of our contract and did what they wanted to do instead, and got away with it.

every single pilot that went to gojets was therefore a party to that. they, especially the ones that went there from tsa airlines itself, knew what they were doing and who they were doing it to. that is why they, the gojets pilots, are rightly treated as pariahs.

again, do a little research before you go telling us all how it went down. because you don't know what you're talking about.

paxhauler85 02-21-2008 01:08 AM


Originally Posted by icarosF1 (Post 324618)
Relax and be carefull, of your comments.

Are you kidding me?

Let me guess, you went to GoJet for your own gain, and got hired at JetBlue?

Sorry to rain on your parade, but you haven't exactly made the most of your career.

Let me beat you to it: Yes, I work for Mesa, but I am not a scab. You have no retort for that, so don't try.

I do work for a bottom feeder, but I didn't screw someone else out of a job or money. Open your eyes.

If you are defending these guys, having never worked there, then your just as ignornant as they are.

I don't know what's worse: being stupid enough to work there, or being stupid enough to defend the pilots who work/worked there.

Emb170man 02-21-2008 05:09 AM


Originally Posted by wolf (Post 324598)
While I agree with many of your points regarding GoJet, the comment you make about foreign nationals is distasteful and frankly xenophobic. There are plenty of foreign nationals flying at many US airlines just as there are plenty of our pilots flying abroad. You should stick to the valid points and not undermine your otherwise valid argument with cheap shots...

"
Most of the guys that go there are foreign nationals and guys you wouldn't want to share a cockpit anyways."

Maybe it's just me but I read his post differently. I thought he said that most people who go there are foreign nationals (nothing wrong with that), AND guys you don't want to work with (emphasis on the comma and the word and....two seperate groups. It's hard on a purely written forum to glein connotation out of this, but that is how I interpret it.

de727ups 02-21-2008 07:49 AM

Too much flamebait to keep this open. OP got what he needed so I'm locking this.


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