If there is a merger, it will be in accordance with allegheny-mohawk. Nobody get stapled - it's federal law as of December 2007. The integration will be decided by an arbitraitor.

 

oooohh, do we get the black suits with the gold bars too?? I'm tired of my faded old blue pants.

 

Thats funny! I think I still have the STFD hat and an RTB as well.

 

I didn't say non-unionized pilots are scum. The Colgan guys had the opportunity to vote a union and pay their dues. They didn't so they don't deserve the protection or benefits of a union. It's that simple. The union is paid for by the PNCL pilots. The union won this fight therefor not a single PNCL pilot should lose any seniority to a Colgan guy.

My statements have nothing to do with name calling or anything else. It's business. PNCL guys foot the bill for it therefore they deserve the rewards.

Nowhere does it state that stapling a pilot group is illegal. It just says things must be kept fair. So if the judge says "Hey you guys didn't pay, didn't fight, and voted against what won this battle. It would be unfair to put you above guys that did pay, did fight, and stayed active with their union who did win. To the bottom you go!!! Enjoy the already better lifestyle you'll receive as gift enough for doing nothing more than going against the stream on this".

 

True, I am somewhat ashamed that we didn't vote in ALPA when we had the chance but, the problem with your statement illustrates the problem with the regional airline industry. You're saying it's all about ME ME ME, and all the hard work pinnacle pilots have done so far to better the INDUSTRY doesn't seem fair because they may have to take a little for the team. It sucks for all pinnacle pilots that may be adversely affected. However, they are accomplishing what everyone on here complains about: too many low tier regionals bringing pay down for everyone. Well count us (Colgan) taken care of. If the pinnacle pilots win there is one less bottom rung airline to threaten your next contract. Colgan sucks without any protection from a union so however they decide to merge us is fine by me (including a staple).


Next time you see a pinnacle pilot, give him or her a big thank you.

 

not quite... i am a 1.5yr fo with the mins to upgrade (time wise) and will not hold mem ca for a few months. By late summer i should have the seniority and will have the age. Remember with no crj time at pncl you need 3500tt. good luck holding mem. not trying to be mean- just presenting facts. I will be very upset if i don't upgrade late summer because of a colgan fo who comes in and takes the vacancy. Call me selfish but i am here for the tjpic. if i just wanted an upgrade i would not have stuck it out this long. have i ever mentioned how i miss my laptop on trips? my pda is making me frustrated!

 

Jamers no ill thoughts to you guys at all by any means. It is about ME ME ME in the group sense. I'm sorry your pilot group didn't vote in a union, but if the union wins a fight then the benefits should go to those that did vote for the union and did support it. If a percentage of my check is taken out so that I can have a hot lunch delivered to me everyday I'm flying it wouldn't be fair to me if you guys didn't pay the percentage and got the same hot lunch.

This industry is about ME ME ME just most realize the best way to increase the QOL for ME is to work together. Those that don't are finding it's best to ride on the coat tails of those that do.

To give you an example. Some of my father's crops were killed a couple years ago. The chemical company mixed the wrong chemicals and basically Rounduped some of our fields. Do to the water running from those rice fields to our other fields we had to use about $90k in additional chemicals to keep the other fields alive. With the $90k plus the loss of the killed fields we went a couple hundred thousand in to the red. We went to the chemical company but they literally laughed and said not their problem. Now we're suing them. We've already spent a great deal of time, effort, and money on lawyers. Now that things look like they are going to turn into our favor the land owner says he wants a percentage of anything we get. We told him he'd have to pay for his part of the lawyers and legal fees and he wouldn't. Do you think it's fair that we took the loss, we have been going through all the troubles, we have damn near lost our lively hood, we have paid for all the lawyers and fees, then all the sudden him walk up and get a piece of the action? Hello no... This is our fight and if we win then WE win. Not that jerk. If he wanted something out of it then he should have taken the gamble like we have because we still stand to lose everything.

 

I think the 2 for 1 years of service integration for Colgan pilots is the best method.


A staple is not really fair. Plus it would only create tension between the pilot groups, and we do not need that during contract negotiating season. Plus a staple would really do no good for many Pinnacle FO's (since they can't upgrade to captain anyway since they need the TT).

On the other hand, there is no question that Colgan pilots will benefit more from a merged list. A merged list is great for both pilot groups. It is great for Pinnacle pilots because they get more variety of flying and more voices in their contract negotiation. But Colgan pilots get access to equipment that they never expected to have access to. And with that comes pay.

Integrate the Colgan guys at a 2:1 ratio, and no displacement rights. That makes it so no Pinnacle pilot can bump a Colgan pilot to a different base/equipment. Future upgrades can only come from vacancy bids. A 3 year colgan pilot would get the seniority of a 1.5 year Pinnacle pilot. That way a 4 year Colgan Saab driver does not end up a CRJ-900 captain.

2:1 years of service integration for Colgan pilots. No displacements. That would be best for all involved.

 

Just to clarify, Colgan can be stapled to the bottom of the list.

The 2007 law concerns two unionized groups merging.

The best thing would be a strict date of hire integration. It would set precedent later on in our careers so we don't have a Usairways/America West disaster.

But in the end Colgan pilots have no say.

 

What do you call picketing the Q400?