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SmoothOnTop 02-20-2008 06:13 PM

I know this is nit picking...
 
The bombardier crj 200 is model cl600-2b19. Why do some operators call it the type rating cl-65?

CL-65DRIVER 02-20-2008 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop (Post 324424)
The bombardier crj 200 is model cl600-2b19. Why do some operators call it the type rating cl-65?

Cause thats what the FAA puts on your cert.

SmoothOnTop 02-20-2008 06:22 PM

Do your OP Specs say cl-65 or cl600-2b19?

Flyboy8784 02-20-2008 06:33 PM

All Ops Specs should say CL-65 on it cuz thats what the FAA calls it. If your asking why its called that its because the original manufacturer "Canadair" designated "CL" for all of their products.

The "65" is the amount of souls that Canadair says it can legally hold. 50 passengers, 3 crew members and 12 lap children (12 cuz the right side of the A/C has the third o2 mask in every row...and their are only 12 rows on that side.)

ficone 02-20-2008 06:35 PM

http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/ge...ers/ga0011.htm

Cuz the Canadians told you so!

Actually, I think CL65 is the ICAO designator for CRJ's in general, while CL67 and CL69 can be used for the 700 and 900 respectively.

SmoothOnTop 02-20-2008 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by Flyboy8784 (Post 324445)
All Ops Specs should say CL-65 on it cuz thats what the FAA calls it. If your asking why its called that its because the original manufacturer "Canadair" designated "CL" for all of their products.

The "65" is the amount of souls that Canadair says it can legally hold. 50 passengers, 3 crew members and 12 lap children (12 cuz the right side of the A/C has the third o2 mask in every row...and their are only 12 rows on that side.)

No a old flying buddy flies for an outfit that operates 200 & 700s.
He said their OP specs have -2b19 and 2c10 or something like that, adding operators that have briefing cards cl-65 are old school.

Shouldn't some -2b19s be called a cl-67s because your math plus the flight deck and optional cabin jumpseat???

cbire880 02-20-2008 06:44 PM

I'd guess the type is CL-65 while the make and model may be more specific. I have an ERJ-170/190 SIC type(practically worthless, but serves the example). We fly the E170 and E175, but the op specs refere to the airplanes as E170-100SU and E170-200LR. When it a type covers multiple make and models, like the CRJ-200/700/900 and ERJ-170/190, they generalize the type name for your certifiates.

SmoothOnTop 02-20-2008 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by ficone (Post 324447)
http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/ge...ers/ga0011.htm

Cuz the Canadians told you so!

Actually, I think CL65 is the ICAO designator for CRJ's in general, while CL67 and CL69 can be used for the 700 and 900 respectively.

CL69????
If I get hired by your airline, please don't volunteer that type of gouge for my training..

SmoothOnTop 02-20-2008 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by cbire880 (Post 324460)
I'd guess the type is CL-65 while the make and model may be more specific. I have an ERJ-170/190 SIC type(practically worthless, but serves the example). We fly the E170 and E175, but the op specs refere to the airplanes as E170-100SU and E170-200LR. When it a type covers multiple make and models, like the CRJ-200/700/900 and ERJ-170/190, they generalize the type name for your certifiates.

If I get hired by your airline, may I please have your training gouge?

atlmsl 02-20-2008 06:55 PM

The C is "Canadair" and the L is "Lear". The supercritical wing on the CRJ was designed by Lear, thus the L in the symbology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Lear
Not super official but the quickest reference I could find. Look under "innovations"

SmoothOnTop 02-20-2008 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by atlmsl (Post 324473)
The C is "Canadair" and the L is "Lear". The supercritical wing on the CRJ was designed by Lear, thus the L in the symbology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Lear
Not super official but the quickest reference I could find. Look under "innovations"

http://www.rcaf.com/aircraft/fighter...php?name=Sabre

How did Canadair know in 1949 to call the sabre a CL-13 (Canadair Lear super critical wing - 13 for luck), that Bombardier would buy them in 1986 and then Bombardier would buy Mr Lear's company in 1990?

If I'm hired at your company, no gouge from you please...

Blueskies21 02-20-2008 07:47 PM

Our op spec lists CL600-2B19 and CL600-2C10. Cl 65 is what it will say on your certificate. other than that it doesn't matter, my company has 200s and 700s, you get a differences class but no extra type, since that is the benefit of being type common.... want my gouge? lol

chitownpilot 02-20-2008 07:59 PM

"CL" = Canadair Ltd...the name of the Canadian state-owned aircraft manufacturing company before it was acquired by Bombardier.

CL-600-2B19 etc = Bombardier's model number
CL-65 = the FAA's designation (who knows why they are different)

our briefing cards at OO say CRJ 200 (or 700) - Canadair Regional Jet

IHateMgmt 02-20-2008 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop (Post 324490)
If I'm hired at your company, no gouge from you please...

Who the hell are you and what's with this 'no gouge' bull ****. Pretty amazing... you're not even in the airlines yet and you're already this cocky.

Lemme guess, you don't want my gouge either.

ExperimentalAB 02-20-2008 09:18 PM


Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop (Post 324490)
http://www.rcaf.com/aircraft/fighter...php?name=Sabre

How did Canadair know in 1949 to call the sabre a CL-13 (Canadair Lear super critical wing - 13 for luck), that Bombardier would buy them in 1986 and then Bombardier would buy Mr Lear's company in 1990?

If I'm hired at your company, no gouge from you please...

Dude, none of us are right all the time (except for maybe Saabaroooooowski!). Just take all the crud you read on APC and cold-filter it several times to finally find something to your liking...

atlmsl 02-20-2008 09:40 PM


Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop (Post 324490)
http://www.rcaf.com/aircraft/fighter...php?name=Sabre

How did Canadair know in 1949 to call the sabre a CL-13 (Canadair Lear super critical wing - 13 for luck), that Bombardier would buy them in 1986 and then Bombardier would buy Mr Lear's company in 1990?

If I'm hired at your company, no gouge from you please...

So if you have all the answers, why ask the question??? A check airman told me about the lear connection. Guess he doesn't belong in the cockpit afterall. Silly me.

texaspilot76 02-20-2008 09:52 PM

The CRJ is essentially a lengthened Challenger business jet. The reason that the CRJ is not designated a CL-600 like it's counterpart is due to the airlines. At one time, the CRJ had the same designation and many pilots were using the airlines to get free training essentially. They would get typed and then jump over into a corporate job flying the Challenger. This was costing the airlines money, so they went to the FAA and got the type certificate changed to a CL-65. So now it requires two different type ratings.

SmoothOnTop 02-21-2008 03:40 AM


Originally Posted by atlmsl (Post 324578)
So if you have all the answers, why ask the question??? A check airman told me about the lear connection. Guess he doesn't belong in the cockpit afterall. Silly me.

Good point. Again, I started this thread with the admission that it was nit-picking.

All the different answers were educational.

I only found the answers i quoted online. Some of the sources are only as good as the info submitted, garbage in-garbage out, the "Wik...encyclopedia" states this caution. Absolutely, the Lear airliner design became the bombardier crj.

As to your instructor pilot, I have the upmost respect for her/his position of responsibility in your airline.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...t=22354&page=2

As long as the aircraft is operated safely, who really cares what it's called?

Tinpusher007 02-21-2008 04:24 AM


Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop (Post 324644)
As to your instructor pilot, I have the upmost respect for her/his position of responsibility in your airline.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...t=22354&page=2

As long as the aircraft is operated safely, who really cares what it's called?


As long as we are nit picking, the word is utmost! And, I had wondered this same question, since all my books for the 900 say CL-600 2D24, but my cert says CL-65. I was unsure what to put in my logbook. I queried a few other guys who fly various models of the CRJ and just decided to go with what my cert says.

SmoothOnTop 02-21-2008 05:07 AM


Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 324660)
As long as we are nit picking, the word is utmost! And, I had wondered this same question, since all my books for the 900 say CL-600 2D24, but my cert says CL-65. I was unsure what to put in my logbook. I queried a few other guys who fly various models of the CRJ and just decided to go with what my cert says.

Hey good catch.

Could you please write down the fuel burns pph total at cruise (mach number and altitude,SAT temperature) on your next trip and post them.

Thanks.

atlmsl 02-21-2008 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop (Post 324676)
Hey good catch.

Could you please write down the fuel burns pph total at cruise (mach number and altitude,SAT temperature) on your next trip and post them.

Thanks.

Man, captains are going to love flying with you.

SmoothOnTop 02-21-2008 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by atlmsl (Post 324792)
Man, captains are going to love flying with you.

........Why?

Spooled 02-21-2008 10:02 AM

LMAO!!!!! This guy is something 'special'.

SmoothOnTop 02-21-2008 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by Spooled (Post 324889)
LMAO!!!!! This guy is something 'special'.

......Thanks!

Glad For All Captains Because Afterall Friend, You're Special !!!!

ficone 02-21-2008 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop (Post 324891)
......Thanks!

GFACBAFYS!!!

Yourself is one word, not two.

Tinpusher007 02-21-2008 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop (Post 324676)
Hey good catch.

Could you please write down the fuel burns pph total at cruise (mach number and altitude,SAT temperature) on your next trip and post them.

Thanks.

Its something like 1860 pph, per eng/.77 mach/FL 360 not sure about temp...-50 or so.

ficone 02-21-2008 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop (Post 324891)
......Thanks!

Glad For All Captains Because Afterall Friend, You're Special !!!!

... and After All is two words.

TonyWilliams 02-21-2008 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by Flyboy8784 (Post 324445)
The "65" is the amount of souls that Canadair says it can legally hold. 50 passengers, 3 crew members and 12 lap children (12 cuz the right side of the A/C has the third o2 mask in every row...and their are only 12 rows on that side.)


What about the cockpit jumpseat, with O2 mask?

atlmsl 02-21-2008 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by TonyWilliams (Post 324973)
What about the cockpit jumpseat, with O2 mask?

Good point. I bet smoothontop knows!

SharkAir 02-21-2008 03:30 PM

Or for that matter, what would stop you from taking 50 lap children if you fly it unpressurized?


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