I know this is nit picking...
The bombardier crj 200 is model cl600-2b19. Why do some operators call it the type rating cl-65?
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Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop
(Post 324424)
The bombardier crj 200 is model cl600-2b19. Why do some operators call it the type rating cl-65?
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Do your OP Specs say cl-65 or cl600-2b19?
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All Ops Specs should say CL-65 on it cuz thats what the FAA calls it. If your asking why its called that its because the original manufacturer "Canadair" designated "CL" for all of their products.
The "65" is the amount of souls that Canadair says it can legally hold. 50 passengers, 3 crew members and 12 lap children (12 cuz the right side of the A/C has the third o2 mask in every row...and their are only 12 rows on that side.) |
http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/ge...ers/ga0011.htm
Cuz the Canadians told you so! Actually, I think CL65 is the ICAO designator for CRJ's in general, while CL67 and CL69 can be used for the 700 and 900 respectively. |
Originally Posted by Flyboy8784
(Post 324445)
All Ops Specs should say CL-65 on it cuz thats what the FAA calls it. If your asking why its called that its because the original manufacturer "Canadair" designated "CL" for all of their products.
The "65" is the amount of souls that Canadair says it can legally hold. 50 passengers, 3 crew members and 12 lap children (12 cuz the right side of the A/C has the third o2 mask in every row...and their are only 12 rows on that side.) He said their OP specs have -2b19 and 2c10 or something like that, adding operators that have briefing cards cl-65 are old school. Shouldn't some -2b19s be called a cl-67s because your math plus the flight deck and optional cabin jumpseat??? |
I'd guess the type is CL-65 while the make and model may be more specific. I have an ERJ-170/190 SIC type(practically worthless, but serves the example). We fly the E170 and E175, but the op specs refere to the airplanes as E170-100SU and E170-200LR. When it a type covers multiple make and models, like the CRJ-200/700/900 and ERJ-170/190, they generalize the type name for your certifiates.
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Originally Posted by ficone
(Post 324447)
http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/ge...ers/ga0011.htm
Cuz the Canadians told you so! Actually, I think CL65 is the ICAO designator for CRJ's in general, while CL67 and CL69 can be used for the 700 and 900 respectively. If I get hired by your airline, please don't volunteer that type of gouge for my training.. |
Originally Posted by cbire880
(Post 324460)
I'd guess the type is CL-65 while the make and model may be more specific. I have an ERJ-170/190 SIC type(practically worthless, but serves the example). We fly the E170 and E175, but the op specs refere to the airplanes as E170-100SU and E170-200LR. When it a type covers multiple make and models, like the CRJ-200/700/900 and ERJ-170/190, they generalize the type name for your certifiates.
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The C is "Canadair" and the L is "Lear". The supercritical wing on the CRJ was designed by Lear, thus the L in the symbology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Lear Not super official but the quickest reference I could find. Look under "innovations" |
Originally Posted by atlmsl
(Post 324473)
The C is "Canadair" and the L is "Lear". The supercritical wing on the CRJ was designed by Lear, thus the L in the symbology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Lear Not super official but the quickest reference I could find. Look under "innovations" How did Canadair know in 1949 to call the sabre a CL-13 (Canadair Lear super critical wing - 13 for luck), that Bombardier would buy them in 1986 and then Bombardier would buy Mr Lear's company in 1990? If I'm hired at your company, no gouge from you please... |
Our op spec lists CL600-2B19 and CL600-2C10. Cl 65 is what it will say on your certificate. other than that it doesn't matter, my company has 200s and 700s, you get a differences class but no extra type, since that is the benefit of being type common.... want my gouge? lol
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"CL" = Canadair Ltd...the name of the Canadian state-owned aircraft manufacturing company before it was acquired by Bombardier.
CL-600-2B19 etc = Bombardier's model number CL-65 = the FAA's designation (who knows why they are different) our briefing cards at OO say CRJ 200 (or 700) - Canadair Regional Jet |
Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop
(Post 324490)
If I'm hired at your company, no gouge from you please...
Lemme guess, you don't want my gouge either. |
Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop
(Post 324490)
http://www.rcaf.com/aircraft/fighter...php?name=Sabre
How did Canadair know in 1949 to call the sabre a CL-13 (Canadair Lear super critical wing - 13 for luck), that Bombardier would buy them in 1986 and then Bombardier would buy Mr Lear's company in 1990? If I'm hired at your company, no gouge from you please... |
Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop
(Post 324490)
http://www.rcaf.com/aircraft/fighter...php?name=Sabre
How did Canadair know in 1949 to call the sabre a CL-13 (Canadair Lear super critical wing - 13 for luck), that Bombardier would buy them in 1986 and then Bombardier would buy Mr Lear's company in 1990? If I'm hired at your company, no gouge from you please... |
The CRJ is essentially a lengthened Challenger business jet. The reason that the CRJ is not designated a CL-600 like it's counterpart is due to the airlines. At one time, the CRJ had the same designation and many pilots were using the airlines to get free training essentially. They would get typed and then jump over into a corporate job flying the Challenger. This was costing the airlines money, so they went to the FAA and got the type certificate changed to a CL-65. So now it requires two different type ratings.
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Originally Posted by atlmsl
(Post 324578)
So if you have all the answers, why ask the question??? A check airman told me about the lear connection. Guess he doesn't belong in the cockpit afterall. Silly me.
All the different answers were educational. I only found the answers i quoted online. Some of the sources are only as good as the info submitted, garbage in-garbage out, the "Wik...encyclopedia" states this caution. Absolutely, the Lear airliner design became the bombardier crj. As to your instructor pilot, I have the upmost respect for her/his position of responsibility in your airline. http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...t=22354&page=2 As long as the aircraft is operated safely, who really cares what it's called? |
Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop
(Post 324644)
As to your instructor pilot, I have the upmost respect for her/his position of responsibility in your airline.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...t=22354&page=2 As long as the aircraft is operated safely, who really cares what it's called? As long as we are nit picking, the word is utmost! And, I had wondered this same question, since all my books for the 900 say CL-600 2D24, but my cert says CL-65. I was unsure what to put in my logbook. I queried a few other guys who fly various models of the CRJ and just decided to go with what my cert says. |
Originally Posted by Tinpusher007
(Post 324660)
As long as we are nit picking, the word is utmost! And, I had wondered this same question, since all my books for the 900 say CL-600 2D24, but my cert says CL-65. I was unsure what to put in my logbook. I queried a few other guys who fly various models of the CRJ and just decided to go with what my cert says.
Could you please write down the fuel burns pph total at cruise (mach number and altitude,SAT temperature) on your next trip and post them. Thanks. |
Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop
(Post 324676)
Hey good catch.
Could you please write down the fuel burns pph total at cruise (mach number and altitude,SAT temperature) on your next trip and post them. Thanks. |
Originally Posted by atlmsl
(Post 324792)
Man, captains are going to love flying with you.
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LMAO!!!!! This guy is something 'special'.
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Originally Posted by Spooled
(Post 324889)
LMAO!!!!! This guy is something 'special'.
Glad For All Captains Because Afterall Friend, You're Special !!!! |
Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop
(Post 324891)
......Thanks!
GFACBAFYS!!! |
Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop
(Post 324676)
Hey good catch.
Could you please write down the fuel burns pph total at cruise (mach number and altitude,SAT temperature) on your next trip and post them. Thanks. |
Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop
(Post 324891)
......Thanks!
Glad For All Captains Because Afterall Friend, You're Special !!!! |
Originally Posted by Flyboy8784
(Post 324445)
The "65" is the amount of souls that Canadair says it can legally hold. 50 passengers, 3 crew members and 12 lap children (12 cuz the right side of the A/C has the third o2 mask in every row...and their are only 12 rows on that side.)
What about the cockpit jumpseat, with O2 mask? |
Originally Posted by TonyWilliams
(Post 324973)
What about the cockpit jumpseat, with O2 mask?
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Or for that matter, what would stop you from taking 50 lap children if you fly it unpressurized?
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