30 in 7 Question
 

I'm just getting starting in this crazy world of commercial flying, and I have a question that's confusing me. I've been told 2 different things about calculating 30 in 7, 100/month etc. One person told me these are calculated on gate to gate block times (out/in), and another said they were calculated on flight time only (off/on). Now looking at the crew cards my company issues, the scheduled gate to gate block times are listed but there is no scheduled flight time. So at the beginning of the day, when I'm checking to see if I'm going to be 30 in 7 legal at the end of the day, the scheduled gate to gate block is the only number available to reference. There is no scheduled on/off flight time... that number only appears on the pay report after the flight is completed. So it seems to me my first source must be correct saying that gate to gate block is how 30 in 7 is calculated, because there is no on/off flight time number at the beginning of the day to use for this calcuation. Am I understanding this correctly?

Yes you are. According to the FAA, flight time (what's in your logbook) is when you move under your own power and it results in flight, which is block time (out/in). Therefore that is controlling.

My understanding is that 30/7 is calculated based on OUT to IN time. Taxi time with the intention of taking flight is considered flight time.

Almost. Flight time also includes anytime you move an aircraft with the intention of flying, whether you actually takeoff or not. Regardless, block to block time is the one you want.

Yes, that is what I meant, just poor wording. Thanks for the correction.

out to in.....

Cool. Thanks for the confirmation there guys. Keep the painted side up... see you out there.

Not intending to give you a hard time, but what airline do you work for? It seems their training is pretty lacking if they didn't explain 121 duty time fundamentals. I'm also wondering what pilot told you it was flight time...I hope he wasn't an airline type?

That is not necessarily true. According to 14 CFR 1.1:

Flight time means:
(1) Pilot time that commences when an aircraft moves under its own
power for the purpose of flight and ends when the aircraft comes to rest
after landing

Therefore, you can't log the time if you didn't take off.

PoK :cool:

Not the clearest language, but the intent is that taxi with the intent to fly is flight time...even if you don't actually fly.

Would I log it 91? No, probably not.

But in 121 you had better log it because it counts towards your daily limit...that's just the way the FAA rolls with that one.