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flyguyniner11 03-03-2008 09:41 PM


Originally Posted by Seggy (Post 332693)
How can you call this progress when we get a memo the other day about them changing our pay rules when it comes to MX cancellations AND just throwing new hot reserve credit times out there?

Progress would be if we were negotiating a contract.

they actually arnt changing our pay rules if you look at the handbook for a MX cancelation you get the block you have completed for the day or 2 hrs whichever is better, i think scheduling has just been putting it in the past because people *****ed about it which is completely understandable. I really wish they would just rewrite the rules and make it fair

kalyx522 03-04-2008 12:16 AM


Originally Posted by HSLD (Post 332703)

This is a pretty common ploy for an airline to attempt to rebuff organizing efforts at no cost or risk. It works like this: The airline promises improvements to work agreements only to rescind the improvement due to DOL requirements. The effect is that the airline paints the union as a problem - not a solution for the pilots. When faced with the prospects of unionization on the property, most managements will pull out all the stops to rebuff organization efforts.

That is exactly what mgmt did last year. I read most of the memos they sent out. One of the things they kept saying was, "why do you need a union to speak for you when you can speak directly to us. They will take away your ability to communicate directly with us like you've been doing all along."
It sounds all so caring and genuine. But just the fact that the mgmt was so adamant and in-your-face about the union thing should be a sign that you should be questioning WHY.

kalyx522 03-04-2008 01:45 AM


Originally Posted by plasticpi (Post 332685)
I don't know why some people are trying to complain about things that are helps to them. Yes it could be better. Yes these are small things. But, would you rather not have them at all?

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Pocket your $200. Take a shower before you head to the airport when your reserve is activated. Feel a little bit better about commuting.

I don't see how any of this is a bad move. It's progress.

Dude, you are not getting my point. YES, a uniform credit is nice, I'm not arguing that. But like Seggy said, this is happening at the same time as all the pay credit problems. It's like 10 steps backward, and one half a step forward, and I'm supposed to be happy about the half a step forward. How does this make sense to you?
It sounds like you haven't experienced the joy of being screwed recently, so let me describe an example. Did you know that crewmembers now need to be sitting for at least 4:45 in order to get hot reserve pay? Many people still don't know this, because the company hasn't disseminated any kind of memo on it. And the thing is, about half of our lines have sits of like 4:30 or so. (I'm at the largest base in the NE.) Some of those lines have like a 4:20 sit every single day. Guess WHAT.. you're not getting paid jack.
ALSO, the cancellation pay incidents. I had a bunch of cancellations, most of it for wx. Long story short, I had credit for all those cancellations disappear mysteriously (meaning it happened several weeks after the fact, without anyone mentioning that this was going to happen), then had to fight two weeks and eventually write to the Tom Brink to get them back (and I'm still missing some, despite promises that it will be fixed.) Apparently I wasn't the only one with this problem because during the conference call Brink said about 15 pilots wrote/called him about this issue. And that's just the people who actually bothered to write/call. I'd venture to say the actual number of people who got screwed is probably tenfold, since we have complainers who never say anything to mgmt.
I mean why does it have to be SO DAMN aggravating trying to get the proper credits back. WHY do we have to fight and fight for money we were supposed to get? How do they change the rules and then not tell anyone? I'm just so tired of arguing about pay credit. I just want to do my job and get paid properly for it.
So to answer your question, sure I would rather have a uniform allowance than not. That's not even an argument. But you are telling me this $200 allowance helps me, meanwhile I'm having to write to the chief pilot about getting ripped off on pay, and then losing out thousands in future earnings because of this hot reserve/cancellation pay issue. Considering this, the uniform allowance and parking pass reimbursement all don't mean jacksquat. They're making very minor "improvements" to placate pilots, while worsening/ignoring the big stuff.

The question is how can you NOT see this as belittling and patronizing. Progress? Why didn't they make these "improvements" last year after ALPA drive failed? Why did it take a full 7 months.. because coming up with a simple commuter clause takes so long, when it isn't even a contract?


AND, like Juice said, Mgmt can and will take these "improvements" away at any time. Just like they changed the hot reserve policy at their whim.

George Dubya 03-04-2008 05:45 AM

What a bunch of complainers got to express jet already.

The Juice 03-04-2008 08:51 AM

My favorite is the new poilicy how crew schedulers are not alowed to adjust credit anymore. We curently need to go through a special new department who, suprise suprise, does not answer or return calls. I love spending my days trying to track down money owed day after day.

Right now I am trying to track down 3 hours credit for a day they totally messed up.

skidmark 03-04-2008 01:12 PM

The Juice always gets his money!

DeadHead 04-01-2008 05:04 AM

Monkey Boy?

Moose Surgeon 04-01-2008 08:49 AM

You know up until recently Colgan crews use to get paid block or better on a per-leg basis. Now it has changed to block or better for the day. When I call and asked Jackie about this he would only give me the standard i know nothing answer. Remeber the "YOUR CALL MAY BE RECORDED FOR QUALITY ASSURANCE" I gave him a call on his cell and was more aless told to watch your pay sheet closely. Management is doing some sneaky stuff these days

Moose Surgeon 04-01-2008 08:50 AM

Personaly I think its the old bait and switch!

The Juice 04-01-2008 11:24 AM

Did anyone else get the email asking what our view on the upcoming union drive was? I do not know who the email was from...maybe B.C. is trying to get a feel for the support...may be a trick he learned from Lorenzo.


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