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afterburn81 03-04-2008 07:38 PM
Originally Posted by cessna157 (Post 333717)
You are not certified to fly the airplane until you pass your checkride. Therefore, you are not certificated for that operation.
Not mocking you by any means but if you have an SIC type in a 757 you are hardly "certified" to fly SIC in an RJ. Seems weird but does this mean I have to get a type ride in each aircraft that I want to jumpseat in? Damn I would hate to be a commuter;). There were a few people in the newhire class that had already obtained a SIC type in an RJ as they were with another regional before ASA but we all know you have to go through all company specific training prior to flying the line.

pilot_man 03-04-2008 08:13 PM
Originally Posted by cessna157 (Post 333717)
I drove 68MPH on the highway the other day. Doesn't mean it was legal.....

I hate to quote regs, but here we go:
121.547 (Admission to flight deck)
(c) "No person may admit any person to the flight deck unless there is a seat available for his use in the passenger compartment, except
(3) a CERTIFICATED airman employed by the certificate holder whose duties require an airman certificate
(4) a CERTIFICATED airman employed by another part 119 certificate holder whose duties with that part 199 certificate holder require an airman certificate...."

You are not certified to fly the airplane until you pass your checkride. Therefore, you are not certificated for that operation.

Where does it say you have to be certificated in that type? I just see that you have to be a certificated airman. So that means I am a certificated airman with my commercial.

atlmsl 03-04-2008 08:22 PM
When I went through training last summer, people were jumpseating the first week. Then a friend of mine two classes later was told no jumpseating or nonreving for 30 days. After that they were allowed to. I don't see why not. How do you think interns for major airlines without a commercial certificate are allowed. You don't have to be 121 certified from my experience. I highly doubt they would allow it otherwise.

hotelmode 03-04-2008 08:33 PM
Originally Posted by pilot_man (Post 333740)
Where does it say you have to be certificated in that type? I just see that you have to be a certificated airman. So that means I am a certificated airman with my commercial.
My thoughts exactly.

ERAUdude 03-04-2008 08:39 PM
Beat me to it pilot man

Diver Driver 03-04-2008 08:48 PM
Originally Posted by bsh932 (Post 333614)
I am a newhire with ASA and I have yet to jumpseat. I would like any advice on how the process works. Do I just go up to the gate and ask if I can jumpseat? I am intrested in sitting up front and watching the crew go through the checklists and callouts. I figure I could learn a lot by just observing. I know part of my initial training will include jumpseat IOE, but I would like to do it before I get to the sim. Thanks
If your airline allows it, then it might be a good thing. My airline specifically told us that if we JS'd before our SIC type ride, we would be immediately terminated. If you do jumpseat, be sure to use proper etiquette and don't be a tool and bump off a line pilot trying to get home.

Airwaves 03-04-2008 08:59 PM
Originally Posted by bsh932 (Post 333614)
I am a newhire with ASA and I have yet to jumpseat. I would like any advice on how the process works. Do I just go up to the gate and ask if I can jumpseat? I am intrested in sitting up front and watching the crew go through the checklists and callouts. I figure I could learn a lot by just observing. I know part of my initial training will include jumpseat IOE, but I would like to do it before I get to the sim. Thanks
Just show up, tell them that you are new, act dumb, and they will guide you. Not worth trying to be something you aren't. Everyone learned somehow, and usually it was just by, "showing up."

Radials Rule 03-04-2008 10:33 PM
Originally Posted by bsh932 (Post 333641)
So I should just go to the gate with my ASA ID and ask to jumpseat and once I board ask the captain if he minds if I jumpseat. And i should have my passport and certificates handy. If there are any ASA captains on the forum how would you handle this situation? Would you welcome a newhire into the cockpit?
The passport is for the gate or ticket agent to verify that you're in CASS. That Captain couldn't care less about your passport. (unless it is an international flight then the Captain might want to see it)

Passport and company badge for the gate/ticket agent.
Company badge, pilot certificate and medical for the Captain. (Usually the Captain just looks at your jumpseat slip and company badge.)

Don't ever conduct yourself like the jumpseat is an entitlement. If the Captain spits in your face, just thank him for considering your request and try to catch the next one. If you get a ride, don't leave without thanking them.

Stryker 03-05-2008 06:30 AM
Originally Posted by Radials Rule (Post 333844)
If the Captain spits in your face, just thank him for considering your request and try to catch the next one.
I thought you were supposed to say "please sir may I have another" ?? Might help your chances :D

Aeropug16 03-05-2008 08:16 AM
I started the same day with ASA as bsh and I jumpseated home on 2 seperate legs with United after 2 weeks of indoc. We were CASS approved in 4 days. Both flights were completely full and I was on the flight deck for both. Both captains knew I was in training and had no problem with it.

Cessna157...There's no way you would be required to be SIC typed or you would only be allowed to Jumpseat on your specific model aircraft.


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