C-Series
03-13-2008 | 08:26 PM
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From what i was told by the guys here at NWA, they dont want the E-190 because it is already out of date as far as they are concerned. They cant justify spending big money like that on old technology when the C-series is supposed to be 35-45% more efficient than the Ejet. FWIW
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03-13-2008 | 08:30 PM
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is there a reason why boeing and airbus arent trying to get this market? I know they are working on the 787 and the a350 or whatever airbus is going to call their 787 version but they have a ton of clout with the majors. It wouldnt be that hard for them to draw up and build a competitive 100 to 150 seat jet to replace all the old dc9/md80/734-5's out there.
The question is going to be how will Boeing react to an RJ maker who intrudes on their market. The C-series has not been officially launched yet, so there has been no reaction from Boeing, but I'm sure they have a plan.
Bombardier might get squashed like a bug. But I have to admit they are playing it very smart by emphasizing high-tech features...they might succeed by beating the next-gen Boeing/Airbus narrowbodies to market.
03-13-2008 | 08:46 PM
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??? Boeing is already entrenched in that market...the low-end 737 models have always seated in the low-hundreds. Airbus has produced a few short buses (A319/A318).
The question is going to be how will Boeing react to an RJ maker who intrudes on their market. The C-series has not been officially launched yet, so there has been no reaction from Boeing, but I'm sure they have a plan.
Bombardier might get squashed like a bug. But I have to admit they are playing it very smart by emphasizing high-tech features...they might succeed by beating the next-gen Boeing/Airbus narrowbodies to market.
The question is going to be how will Boeing react to an RJ maker who intrudes on their market. The C-series has not been officially launched yet, so there has been no reaction from Boeing, but I'm sure they have a plan.
Bombardier might get squashed like a bug. But I have to admit they are playing it very smart by emphasizing high-tech features...they might succeed by beating the next-gen Boeing/Airbus narrowbodies to market.
http://www.bombardier.com/index.jsp?.../3_8/3_8_1.jsp
03-14-2008 | 04:26 AM
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Anything over 70 seats should be at a major...Better yet make that 50 seats. Everyone would benifit if this was the case....except for maybe the profit margins of the majors!
03-14-2008 | 06:24 AM
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The C-Series will sell... along with the NG NG 737 (sorry but don't know what they'll call it yet). Airbus will come out with a newer A320 (using the A350 technology). All 3 will compete. Who would have thought the A320 would have been a success against the best selling airliner ever?? It's the best market out there (130-150 seaters).
03-14-2008 | 07:08 AM
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Let's just hope the Major pilots don't consider it a "little jet" and decide they don't want to fly it.
Hopefully they have wised up to their previous failings of scope implementation and understand that they NEED to fly the damn thing to better the profession.
03-14-2008 | 07:28 AM
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It was just officially announced that they will go into production.
http://www.bombardier.com/index.jsp?.../3_8/3_8_1.jsp
http://www.bombardier.com/index.jsp?.../3_8/3_8_1.jsp
03-14-2008 | 12:32 PM
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According to our Bombardier factory instructor NWA has been all over them to get the C-series going as the replacement for the DC-9s.... We shall see but based on that they would be a good guess for a launch customer.
03-14-2008 | 02:38 PM
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NWA might be a sufficiently large buyer to justify a single-customer launch...bombardier needs at least 50 orders, preferably closer to 100.
03-14-2008 | 03:34 PM
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I think the NWA will be the launching customer. NWA already has options for any Bombardier aircraft and with the oil price skyrocketing, both DC9s and even CRJ900s are no longer economically attractive.
C series will be flown by Mainline NWA pilots due to the scope clause. NWA already has experiences with the Embraer 175s and the feedback is not that great. It's even less economical to run than CRJ900s and has electronic maintenance issues. A maintenance tech told me they have a nick name for E175s, they call them E180s for making a 180 turn to return to the gate soon after pushback. So, NWA is likely to go with the C series as a DC9 replacement.
C series will be flown by Mainline NWA pilots due to the scope clause. NWA already has experiences with the Embraer 175s and the feedback is not that great. It's even less economical to run than CRJ900s and has electronic maintenance issues. A maintenance tech told me they have a nick name for E175s, they call them E180s for making a 180 turn to return to the gate soon after pushback. So, NWA is likely to go with the C series as a DC9 replacement.
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