Why is it that it adds up my dual and PIC as total time? You can log PIC and Dual Given at the same time right? Like after I got my PPL, I was able to log PIC and dual given for the lessons after my PVT. What does everybody else do?

 

IIRC, Airline Apps specifically tells you not to count dual given as PIC. Airlines ususally want to see dual given and PIC split up. When applying, times are not the same as what the 14CFR says you can log.

Edit: Actually, after I read further, why would you be logging dual given for post PPL training? That would be Dual Received which the airlines definately don't like to see as PIC. You shouldn't have any Dual Given in your logs until you get your CFI.

 

Per the FAR's yes... ( I assume when you said Dual Given right after your private you mean Dual Received) ... however the airlines see it differently they only count PIC time as time that you didn't have an instructor on board (AKA Your the sole manipulator of the controls/ Final authority). Its the same thing with dual Given, even though you are in fact the PIC when you are flight instructing( because you are the final authority) Airlineapps.com will add this up separately from PIC time. Because some airlines actually value (or used to) Flight Instructor time over the I got a 100 dollar burger PIC time people log.

This all used to matter because when airlines weren't hiring at next to nothing times they had a certain amount of PIC requirements, and anything where you are logging DUAL RECEIVED would not count towards that.

You will find that at most flight schools that are oriented towards people that will eventually end up at Airlines (I.E. Aviation Universities, 0 to Jet schools, most other 141 operations) students are usually told not to log Dual received time as PIC time because even though it is legal these schools now know how future employers feel about the issue.

 

Sorry, I meant Dual Received. But thanks for the info, don't know how I missed that.

 

It depends on which company and their application. At the regional/135 freight level, most allow both forms of PIC time to be reported. However, at the major level, they might want to only see PIC as defined in part 1, whomever is the actual PIC, not just by loggable definitions. I would still log post Private training as PIC and dual received because you can always make an adjustment for it on the application and only the airlines seem to want that specific time.

Logging whatever you can is good in some instances such as corporate jobs whose insurance companies require specific requirements.

 

Generally, you should log BOTH dual received and PIC when qualified to do so. Many employers will count it all. For those that want a break down (some airlines), you can simply subtract out the time that was both dual received and PIC.

Dual Given (when you are the CFI) should definately be logged as PIC. Again simply subtract out your dual given from your PIC for those airlines that want it that way.

Even though airlines may want a certain breakdown of your times, they will not have any problem with you logging what's legal and accepted in the industry.