Airline Pilot Central Forums

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)
-   Regional (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/regional/)
-   -   Anything being done by ALPA to change RLA? (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/regional/24538-anything-being-done-alpa-change-rla.html)

fit29 04-02-2008 06:49 AM

Anything being done by ALPA to change RLA?
 
Reading some threads here about mesa loosing freedom fliying It makes me wonder why hasnt ALPA or IBT pressured congress for a change in RLA, it seems that as pilots it is IMPOSSIBLE for us to ever take any industrial action even when companies BLATANTLY and openly violate our contracts.

GoJets, Freedom, Pinnacle-Colgan, are all examples of this, if we were allowed to take action faster these things wouldnt happen. What is ALPA doing about it? next year more likely than not we will have the most labor friendly government we have seen in a long time; I hope somtheing happens then.

rickair7777 04-02-2008 07:06 AM

:confused:

Mesa losing DAL flying has nothing whatsoever to do with the RLA, and not much to do with alpa either. That is an issue between managements...

MAG management can't run their company so as to meet contractual performance requirements.

DAL management made a business decision based on mesa performance and economic conditions.

This is actually good for pilots...the smaller mesa is, the fewer people have to work there.


But I have asked about possibly amending the RLA. According to a senior FDX alpa guy, neither management nor labor want to open up the RLA for revision in congress because nobody knows what the end result would be.

Foxcow 04-02-2008 07:54 AM

So if it is broke, don't fix it? I really think that the RLA is an archaic document that needs to be either re-written or eliminated.

BoilerUP 04-02-2008 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by Foxcow (Post 353661)
So if it is broke, don't fix it? I really think that the RLA is an archaic document that needs to be either re-written or eliminated.

Its not that simple...

fit29 04-02-2008 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 353618)
:confused:

Mesa loosing DAL flying has nothing whatsoever to do with the RLA, and not much to do with alpa either. That is an issue between managements...

MAG management can't run their company so as to meet contractual performance requirements.

DAL management made a business decision based on mesa performance and economic conditions.

This is actually good for pilots...the smaller mesa is, the fewer people have to work there.


But I have asked about possibly amending the RLA. According to a senior FDX alpa guy, neither management nor labor want to open up the RLA for revision in congress because nobody knows what the end result would be.

I was reffering to the fact that MAG might screw over some pilots and then tell the union to go ahead and file a grievence, by the time it is finally resolved mesa has probably gone under. And Mesa started freedom specifically to whipsaw pilot groups, in violation of their contract.

RLA gives managament way to much power, we need a more balanced document.

mike734 04-02-2008 08:03 AM

I've asked ALPA national officers about this and the response is basically, "Until there is a more labor friendly political environment we would rather stick to what we know." I think they are afraid of what they might get if they tinker with the RLA.

Maybe a new political environment is around the corner. Time will tell.

Foxcow 04-02-2008 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 353663)
Its not that simple...

I understand and agree with that but I think step should be taken in the right direction.

ToiletDuck 04-02-2008 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 353618)
:confused:

Mesa losing DAL flying has nothing whatsoever to do with the RLA, and not much to do with alpa either. That is an issue between managements...

MAG management can't run their company so as to meet contractual performance requirements.

DAL management made a business decision based on mesa performance and economic conditions.

This is actually good for pilots...the smaller mesa is, the fewer people have to work there.


But I have asked about possibly amending the RLA. According to a senior FDX alpa guy, neither management nor labor want to open up the RLA for revision in congress because nobody knows what the end result would be.

Mesa isn't the only company DAL has stiffed. They still owe CHQ a wad of cash.

JoeyMeatballs 04-02-2008 08:42 AM

What kind of people are getting hired??? 18yr olds that never took a history/political class. Labor laws are very complex, and like John Prater said to me personally, little can be done with Bush & Co in office, they are too anti-labor, the same with McCain. I don't have the time or energy to try and find the article but a few years ago McCain slammed Airline Pilots for their greedy behavior........this the next guy you want in office?

TchNgo 04-02-2008 09:40 AM

I think I remember the article you are referring to. He calls pilots a bunch of overpaid whiney pre-madonnas, who should have no right to ruin someones vacation by a strike.:eek:


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 06:38 PM.


Website Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands