[quote=N2rotation;354301]Everyone at Mesa is willing to do other RJ pilot's job for less. UNDERCUTTING.

And how much are you getting paid to fly that ERJ???

8000, 9000, 10000 dollars a month?

YOU are Lowering the bar by taking that regional job!!!!!!!!!

POT........MEET KETTLE

I have a bottle of bubbly ready for this day...

It is funny how everyone assumes you fly an RJ if you work for Mesa. I've only flown turboprops over the course of my career @ MAG, never had the desire to fly one of those RJ's. Mesa Airlines was the launch customer for the Dash 8 Q-200 for our mountain flying, so we have quite a bit more turboprop in our blood than many of the regionals out there today.

PROP's ROCK!

Not funny, but nearly the truth! If SkyWest flew the Brasilia's nearly exclusively, ya'll would assume that I flew one too.

Chances are you DO fly an RJ if you're a MAG pilot...same as most Regionals out there today.

Ok from what I gather this carrier is basically an entry level type of carrier for pilots who need to build time ? yes or no ?
So when an individual goes to said carrier or carriers they have very little knowledge on how they operate ?yes or no?
I have a solution to this and it goes like this ,since some of these carriers are not so good then how about you guys that are at a good carrier putting in a good word for the guys who are trying to get their foot in the door so to speak.
When I started flying a regional was just props nothing more and nothing less and now it has included jets which back in the day most of us would have never imagined happening .
Just realize someone has to start some where and it may be where some of you have issues .
But in the end we are all one thing --PILOTS !


There are old pilots and bold pilots ,but there are no old bold pilots!

Mesa Guarantee: 70 hours
Eagle Guarantee: 72 hours

Mesa Bid periods per year: 13
Eagle Bid periods per year: 12

Mesa Guarantee per year: 13 X 70 = 910
Eagle Guarantee per year: 12 X 72 = 864

I know Mesa is a shiiiaaattt hole, (all regionals are), but make sure you have all the facts before criticizing too much. I made this mistake and was informed with the info above. Im at Eagle. Kinda interesting.

Are you serious? You’re basing everything upon monthly hourly guarantees? Unless you’re on reserve when does it ever matter and just how much of your regional career is spent on reserve...............what maybe 10%-20% MAX? BTW, I've never sat reserve but for most they will spend 80%-90% of their time flying a line.

*No Block or Better
*50% dead head
*SSHHIITTYY cancellation pay that turns into no pay at all
*No trip or duty rigs
*No daily guarantees
*Mandatory JR manning
*8 days off for reserves
*Majority of pilots only get 10 days off
*$1.25 per Diem
*Don't ask of time off, you won’t get it and if you call in sick you'll have to visit your CP
*Freedom "A"
*And Orenstein at the helm, this is the guy who said "as long as there are resumes on my desk, pilots are overpaid."

BTW, a friend of mine started at Mesa at the same time I started at SKW. He made $21/hr and I made $19/hr. After one year I had been paid well over 1200 hours and he was in the mid 900’s. With the $.40 more in per diem and our flight guarantees I made in the mid $28’s while he didn’t even make it to $22K (TOTAL including per diem). I also averaged 14-15 days off per month while he was lucky to get more than 10. How about them apples? You need to learn that structure of pay is more important than $2-$3 dollars per hour more.

Ps. I am not saying that $28K is great but it’s sad when you can get paid $2/hour less and make over $7K more than you counterpart.


Now compare those numbers to Eagle and tell me if they are still close!

Deep breaths... There ya go. Firstly, im not "basing everything upon monthly hourly guarantees?". I simply posted an interesting piece of information that I recently learned. Obviously im not saying that Mesa on the whole is better than Eagle, or I would be flying there and not here.

Take another sip/hit... relax... goood.. Secondly, Guarantee is a very important issue if you have very low time lines (like we have), or if you bid CDOs or if you are on reserve/choose to bid reserve.

Turn on some Enya, meditate... Thirdly, we have terrible dead head pay, no duty rig/trip rig, and no daily guarantee. BTW, There is no such thing as "Mandatory JR manning".... especially if you have a habit of taking a nice sip of cold beer just at crew scheduling calls.

My original post wasnt a campaign for guys to go to Mesa. Simply some interesting information. One of my criticisms towards them was always their low guarantee, until I was corrected one day.

Everyone has monthly guarantees that are somewhat close to each other, so they are not that important when it comes to the bigger picture. Also not everyone gets paid for CDO's they way you guys do. For instance, can you work 13 CDO's with just over 40 hours of block and get paid in the 85 ish hours range with a 75 hour monthly guarantee?

Next, there is such a thing as Mandatory JR manning, just ask any MAG employee and BTW, what you are proposing could and would cost you your job, especially if you are a reserve pilot (excluding days off). Also MAG is notorious for meeting their pilots and FA’s at the a/c in order to JR man them and they even go as far as to place it into the remarks section of their releases.

Last, your arguments are weak, you have yet to show any numbers but I’ll help you out. You guys make more in your intro years and your per diem is over 42 cents more.

Your numbers:
Eagle Guarantee of 864 X 24 = $20,736 then add your $1.70 per Diem to it.

Mesa Guarantee of 910 X 21 (RJ) = $20,020 then add their $1.28 per Diem

Mesa Guarantee of 910 X 19 (Props) = $17,290 then add their $1.28 per Diem

Your RJ guys still make more, thousands more in the end!

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