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Originally Posted by tzadik
(Post 358632)
sorry bro, decision making skills in this situation dont come from experience... they come from common sense.
She had been nothing but a student and brand new FO. Always being told what to do and how to do it from an experienced flight instructor and later closely monitored by a very experienced CA (relatively). She probably never voiced her concern for the upcoming situation. She obviously, didn't try a go around. The CA finally acted... way too late. She rarely has had to make a decision for herself as PIC, much less question a "mentor's" decision. Partly due to her lack of experience, she was quietly along for the ride. |
Originally Posted by 577nitro
(Post 358291)
ERAU actually requires 1000hrs to get the ProAero degree just FYI.
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Originally Posted by BEEFF
(Post 358601)
Just sit there while someone else does the learning for ya.
Originally Posted by BEEFF
(Post 358601)
...I sure can tell you never were a CFI, it really shows.
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Originally Posted by BEEFF
(Post 358640)
True on the CA's part.
She had been nothing but a student and brand new FO. Always being told what to do and how to do it from an experienced flight instructor and later closely monitored by a very experienced CA (relatively). She probably never voiced her concern for the upcoming situation. She obviously, didn't try a go around. The CA finally acted... way too late. She rarely has had to make a decision for herself as PIC, much less question a "mentor's" decision. Partly due to her lack of experience, she was quietly along for the ride. |
Originally Posted by TurboFan
(Post 358676)
This statement is so absurd it hardly warrants a response. You sure do know a lot about this girl for someone that read a few articles on the internet one evening. You can't substantiate one thing you said here. It is all blatant and erroneous speculation.
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Turbofan,
Your gonna wishyou had done some CFI'n when you become a CA and get the 330 hour FO who had 80 hours of IOE (they're out there and in great numbers). Just because you're a 300 hour no-flaw prodigy doesn't mean you won't have to deal with those who posses lesser skills than yourself. It's a little different when you gotta coach or monitor the weak FO who has strapped on way too much aircraft way too early. Especially, when you get paired up with one of them as a brand-new CA. Which one will you be? The captain who finger-fncks everything, and constantly corrects them, or the annoyed captain who will only let them fly legs to the base airport? |
Originally Posted by BEEFF
(Post 358640)
True on the CA's part.
She had been nothing but a student and brand new FO. Always being told what to do and how to do it from an experienced flight instructor and later closely monitored by a very experienced CA (relatively). She probably never voiced her concern for the upcoming situation. She obviously, didn't try a go around. The CA finally acted... way too late. She rarely has had to make a decision for herself as PIC, much less question a "mentor's" decision. Partly due to her lack of experience, she was quietly along for the ride. |
Originally Posted by Slice
(Post 358680)
For someone not involved in the incident, you seem overly sensitive. Low hour RJ FO hire? His comments may or may not be true but you're not doing yourself any favors with your replies.
low-time/high-time is really not the issue at hand my brother but rather common sense. and turbofan much like myself is waiting for some to be used with just a trickle of fact to back up these statements. most around here have an ichy ichy trigger finger and need a calibration before they jump on fellow pilots they know little to nothing about. |
Originally Posted by Slice
(Post 358680)
For someone not involved in the incident, you seem overly sensitive. Low hour RJ FO hire? His comments may or may not be true but you're not doing yourself any favors with your replies.
Yes, I am a graduate of one of those "pilot mills" everyone speaks so highly of. I'm not ashamed to say it. I also don't think I am gods gift to flying by any means. I do, however, get sick of people making rash and unwarranted statements which aren't even true, for the sole purpose of bashing guys like me. I embrace the fact that I have a lot to learn and look forward to doing so throughout my career. I'm just sick of people playing the CFI card in an attempt to belittle what myself, and many others, have accomplished. Just as parents say when their 16 y/o gets their drivers license... I'm cruising around FL360 with all ya'll. Better watch out! :eek: |
Originally Posted by TurboFan
(Post 358691)
Slice, you know my M.O. mang. You read and responded to my little intro to APC. You told me to pi** off if I remember correctly.
Yes, I am a graduate of one of those "pilot mills" everyone speaks so highly of. I'm not ashamed to say it. I also don't think I am gods gift to flying by any means. I do, however, get sick of people making rash and unwarranted statements which aren't even true, for the sole purpose of bashing guys like me. I embrace the fact that I have a lot to learn and look forward to doing so throughout my career. I'm just sick of people playing the CFI card in an attempt to belittle what myself, and many others, have accomplished. Just as parents say when their 16 y/o gets their drivers license... I'm cruising around FL360 with all ya'll. Better watch out! :eek: |
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