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ChickenFlight 04-07-2008 08:05 AM

AE and AX service changes for the summer
 
This message was posted today:

American Adjusts Regional Network to Add Summer Flying

The June schedule change appears in SABRE today, and includes adjustments to the regional network.

At ORD, Eagle will add a daily round trip to CHA, DTW, LSE, SGF, TVC, TYS, XNA and YYZ to capitalize on seasonal demand.

Additionally, Eagle will add new year-round service three times daily to Central Wisconsin Airport (CWA), a market Eagle last served in 1999.


At DFW, Additional daily round trips to BUF, CRP, GSP, JAN, MOB, and MTJ will begin June 1.

To free up Eagle resources to support the increased flying in ORD and DFW, American has asked Eagle to reduce its RJ flying in MIA (retaining 40 daily Eagle and Executive departures).

American will shift a portion of American Connection assets from STL to MIA, to improve STL profitability which has suffered recently under pressure from low cost carriers.


While the overall American Connection flying will not increase, Eagle will actually gain flying as capacity is redeployed into ORD and DFW, allowing us to fly 96 additional block hours in the month of June, due to more out-and-back hub flying.

Other notable changes in the June 1 schedule include cancellation of unprofitable flying in MIA-XNA and LGA-YHZ. Eagle will continue to serve YHZ with two daily round trips from JFK.

Foxcow 04-07-2008 08:24 AM

What is your source?


I am just curious because it seems like the author is using American Eagle and American Connection interchangeably which is not correct.

ERJ135 04-07-2008 08:27 AM

Its kinda like e-mails and announcments we get via the company the AA and AE web page called Jetnet. More east coast flying gone, they got rid of LGA FNT last month and RDU XNA.:(

Foxcow 04-07-2008 08:30 AM

I wonder if some of those routes are going to mainline or if they are just gone.

ERJ135 04-07-2008 09:11 AM

Too add more to this: From the company koolaid page apparently this connection flying out of MIA is a vioaltion of Bloch's award. Don't ask me what Bloch's award is. I have no idea:o hahe. Somebody thats been around longer can fill you in on that. Interesting....

willflyforcash 04-07-2008 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by Foxcow (Post 357429)
I wonder if some of those routes are going to mainline or if they are just gone.

rumor has it that many are going to TSA or CHQ as American Connection. No way this will be tolerated. Violations of scope.

ExperimentalAB 04-07-2008 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by willflyforcash (Post 357498)
rumor has it that many are going to TSA or CHQ as American Connection. No way this will be tolerated. Violations of scope.

That isn't possible if they're looking to reduce connection flying in STL and shuffle things around to ORD/DFW...

SharkyBN584 04-07-2008 10:20 AM

Oh this should be fun. If I had to put my money down on which Connection carrier might be headed down to MIA, I'd say it would be TSA. Our old TWA-now AA flying doesn't really get messed with too much.

reevesofskyking 04-07-2008 11:07 AM

I dont know... WE cannot get HK to open a ord base for us when we fly more than go jet, but I am not so quick to think he will open something up down in MIA

Foxcow 04-07-2008 11:41 AM

Or IAD... Outstation basing is so much fun.

ExperimentalAB 04-07-2008 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by Foxcow (Post 357578)
Or IAD... Outstation basing is so much fun.

It's great, I think, so long as you don't commute...then, I imagine, it becomes quite a nightmare :eek:

reevesofskyking 04-07-2008 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 357583)
It's great, I think, so long as you don't commute...then, I imagine, it becomes quite a nightmare :eek:

No it is not great for anyone anymore regardless where you live.

They do not let you limo in of for a trip anymore.

careerpilot 04-07-2008 12:11 PM

Too bad this is a vilolation of Eagle's scope clause. Eagle ALPA will fight it and we will win because arbitrator Bloch already determined this is a violation of our sope in the AX grievance. TSA and CHQ have no business being on our turf and we will defend it through every means necessary.

SharkyBN584 04-07-2008 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by careerpilot (Post 357599)
TSA and CHQ have no business being on our turf and we will defend it through every means necessary.

Your turf? Is this a movie about the 1950's? Are the Jets and the Thunderbirds gonna have a dance off on the ramp to see whose cooler? Maybe we can race our 145's for pinks. I hear that's all the rage.

See you in Miami. I'm gonna buy one of those white linen shirts and talk with a Cuban accent on the radio just to get geared up for this.

P.S. - You should probably relax until you see something taxiing around the ramp. Oh, and it's not YOUR flying, it's American's flying.

RJ Pilot 04-07-2008 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by SharkyBN584 (Post 357617)

P.S. - You should probably relax until you see something taxiing around the ramp. Oh, and it's not YOUR flying, it's American's flying.

Wrong. Its AMR flying.

Foxcow 04-07-2008 04:09 PM

I doubt it will be TSA because we are contractually bound to stay in STL if we are working for AA. We don't have airplanes for it either.

ChickenFlight 04-07-2008 07:23 PM

Rumor has it that American wants this flying done by whoever can do it. Eagle would be preferred because at the moment, that keeps it all within the AMR umbrella. Unfortunately, Eagle cannot staff this additional flying right now. As a way of getting the flying, they will let connection do it and sacrifice the STL flying which is not so profitable at the moment (since uncle Hulas or CHQ have to take their cut of the profits when its flown by AX).

My prediction is that AX will start the flying out of Miami, EGL ALPA will fight it tooth and nail and eventually the arbitrator will reiterate his original ruling that AX flying is strictly limited to the old TWA flying out of STL. In the meantime, a lot of TSA pilots will deadhead back and forth to MIA until they turn blue in the face and AMR will realize that they don't really miss the flying that they sacrificed out of STL for the MIA stuff (and that realization will come up right around the time the AX contract is up).

When you doll it all out it leads to zero net gain in flying for TSA and about 96 additional block hrs/mo for Eagle (source is a LEC rep), a good thing considering everyone else is cutting back 50 seat flying, and a re-evaluation of outstanding grievances regarding AX flying. Time to watch the stuff fly

reevesofskyking 04-07-2008 08:50 PM

aa.com shows some flights operated by TSA in june out of MIA

Foxcow 04-08-2008 07:17 AM

Very interesting indeed.

ExperimentalAB 04-08-2008 08:05 AM

Never would have guessed AX would be in MIA...never, ever LoL

flynavyj 04-08-2008 08:32 AM

where on aa.com did you find that info reeves, i sure wasn't able to...

ChickenFlight 04-08-2008 08:50 AM

check jetnet...all of the new AX stuff out of MIA is operated by Trans States, no CHQ.

reevesofskyking 04-08-2008 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by flynavyj (Post 358304)
where on aa.com did you find that info reeves, i sure wasn't able to...

I just selected june something and started searching MIA flights.

To be fair it was not me that found it first, some the guys over the lounge found it first, and I just repeated their searches.
MIA-RIC
MIA-clt

There were some more too but I cannot remember now

I did not look for anything in may.

Reeves

Salukipilot4590 04-08-2008 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by reevesofskyking (Post 358323)
I just selected june something and started searching MIA flights.

To be fair it was not me that found it first, some the guys over the lounge found it first, and I just repeated their searches.
MIA-RIC
MIA-clt

There were some more too but I cannot remember now

I did not look for anything in may.

Reeves

I just saw a memo about it, trying to find it now...

reevesofskyking 04-08-2008 10:42 AM

Here are the markets that our managment says were are doing starting june first

· Charlotte – 3 round trips
· Indianapolis – 1 round trip
· Norfolk – 1 round trip
· Pittsburgh – 1 round trip
· Richmond – 1 round trip

we got a memo online about it today

Foxcow 04-08-2008 01:23 PM

Wowza, just read the memo. I can only imagine how some of the eagle pilots will take this.

RockyMtnFO 04-08-2008 02:43 PM

Will this flying be done through STL or do they plan on adding some American pairings to the RIC side of things?

Foxcow 04-08-2008 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by RockyMtnFO (Post 358606)
Will this flying be done through STL or do they plan on adding some American pairings to the RIC side of things?

Can you guys handle the Universals? :p

BYUFlyr 04-08-2008 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by RockyMtnFO (Post 358606)
Will this flying be done through STL or do they plan on adding some American pairings to the RIC side of things?

We asked the same q in the crew room this morning and the answer was "probably not", but they haven't really figured that out yet.

SharkyBN584 04-08-2008 05:13 PM

I see the DH percentage at TSA increasing exponentially somewhere around June 1st. And I'm sure Eagle will be thrilled to see you guys...

reevesofskyking 04-08-2008 05:46 PM

I think this could leave to staffing issues.

I am going to have to do some more research, but I just got off the phone with a friend of mine, and he thought there was not really many options to get crews from STL to MIA. This leads me to think TSA will have to DH on mainline flights. It has been my experince that they do not like to do this. I sure there are times they have to, but never had done it for me.

It just seems the way ord and IAD run with crews and the never ending time issues...one more hub that is crew base is just going to make this worse to the point of perhaps appearing understaffed. I am sure in reality it is going to be crew inefficiencies wearing the company understaffing costume.

I really have not heard where the crews are coming from, as said above it does not looke to be RIC, but that would make sense, crew base, and MX base. In the end if they decide not to use the RIC base for any of this, then it is going to get expensive shuttle airframes back and forth for MX.

Just speculation on my part thats all

Reeves

RockyMtnFO 04-08-2008 05:54 PM

Seems like RIC would be more efficient, seeing as how it will be a destination from MIA. It would work similar to how the U.S. Airways ops are done. Into the hub RIC-MIA then start a trip ending on the last day with MIA-RIC.

reevesofskyking 04-08-2008 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by RockyMtnFO (Post 358753)
Seems like RIC would be more efficient, seeing as how it will be a destination from MIA. It would work similar to how the U.S. Airways ops are done. Into the hub RIC-MIA then start a trip ending on the last day with MIA-RIC.

While I agree that makes sense, but dont be surprised if the dont atleast start with STL crews. I would bet this going to have the thought process as someone in the twilight zone in the first weeks/months of ops

flynavyj 04-08-2008 06:42 PM

It'll be interesting to see how this works, i too thought RIC would be the logical choice, especially with all the US Air flying they lost, this could compensate a little, and allow them to get a piece of the american flying. As far being DH'd on mainline, they do it when they "need" to. When they start DH you on United to fly American however, that WILL get codeshares a little upset.

Wonder if they'll just start sending crews to hang out in a MIA hotel and wait for trips, or fly whats there plus reserve coverage...hmmm, could be interesting.

SUSpilot 04-08-2008 07:22 PM

getting crews there from STL will be no problem. Trip would go STL to IND, CLT, or RIC then down into MIA and fly out of MIA for a couple days then go back. Just how we covered SAT for united. STL or RIC to ORD then to OKC, OMA, or TUL then SAT fly out of SAT for a couple days then on the last day work your way back to the domicile the same type of way you made it down. Staffing the SAT flying wasn't a problem until the furloughs and it took 3 legs to get there

Flyby1206 04-09-2008 05:23 AM

Does anyone have the details of the agreement TSA has with AMR to provide flying as AA Connection? I am curious if it states anything about flying outside of STL.

POPA 04-09-2008 06:50 AM

If I were still at TSA, I'd bid reserve and ask to sit hotel RSV in MIA. Nothing like getting paid 4 hrs/day plus per diem to sit on a beach!
Think I can get my old seniority number back if I send my stuff in? :)

flynavyj 04-09-2008 07:23 AM

with your reputation popa, i don't think so....and why does it seem that everyone got 4 hrs of pay while on hotel reserve in RIC but me, i somehow remember getting 5 hrs/ day.....hmmm, that or my memory is going all loopy now 'n days.

POPA 04-09-2008 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by flynavyj (Post 359100)
with your reputation popa, i don't think so....and why does it seem that everyone got 4 hrs of pay while on hotel reserve in RIC but me, i somehow remember getting 5 hrs/ day.....hmmm, that or my memory is going all loopy now 'n days.

If I remember correctly, it was 4 hrs/day min if you got called out while sitting RSV, or 5 hrs/day min if sitting airport RSV regardless of whether you flew. Since I only ever sat hotel RSV in RIC, I only got my four hours (the only time I saw the airport for those times were the DH in and the DH out). I know a few from our group who had to actually sit airport RSV in RIC, so they got the five hours.

bgmann 04-09-2008 03:54 PM

AE is planning on transfering AE flying from MIA to American Connection! "...this move is extremely serious." Whats next?


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