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KingAirPIC 04-08-2008 06:33 PM

Only Flown the Brasilia out of those. However, I do have about 700 TPIC in a King Air which is just a short B1900. Love the Beech product. The guys that designed those products knew what they were doing. Best 'stick and rudder' aircraft I've personally flown.
Brasilia is a good plane. Something got screwed up with the airframe design that makes any power change a coordination problem. A good thing is that it is faster than the Saab, which I have never flown, but flown past on a few occasions :D

WIFlyer 04-08-2008 10:00 PM

Well, the Saab does do pretty well in xwinds but doesn't taxi worth a darn. It is the only big twin I have flown so no comparisons here but it is fun to fly. A decent autopilot but we do a lot of hand flying as well. It slows down pretty well, you can do 250 to the marker and be in the TDZ with no problem. It is hot in the summer and cold in the winter so bring extra socks in the northland December through about April.

meeko031 04-09-2008 01:12 AM

Saab is a fun plane to fly for me and durable, espcially on visual approaches.( a little biased, its the only plane I have flown besides GA) It is a hot plane during the summer, even more in Dallas. My acrylic pants gets stuck to the seat. What I can't stand is when women(majority)say: "it's so small and uncomfortable" one of these days I'll lose it and say that "the size of the plane is fine, it's you that's too big for the plane"

Timmay 04-09-2008 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by meeko031 (Post 358970)
"the size of the plane is fine, it's you that's too big for the plane"

That's hilarious...I'll have to remember that. The flying public is so ridiculous sometimes. As I'm sitting here waiting for my flight, I heard a couple getting ready to hop on a Lynx Q400. Their comment as the plane was taxiing in..."Oh geez, look at this little old puddle-jumper we have to ride in". I could have pointed out the fact that it's the largest, newest airplane to fly in here...but they're not worth the effort.

Anyhow, the Brasilia is the only plane I've flown outside of GA, and I still love it. Don't have anything else to compare it to, but we see a lot of fun things that I assume the jets wouldn't be able to handle (short approaches from 11k' on downwind, 250 to the marker, those sorts of things). And as was mentioned earlier, the handlebars feel pretty natural after a month or two.

577nitro 04-09-2008 12:25 PM

Lynx Q400, you must be in or near denver?

DAL4EVER 04-09-2008 01:27 PM

I flew the Saab for little while. It was a great plane to fly. But as previously mentioned it would have been perfect with an APU and about 500 extra horsepower aside. I have about 10 years experience in the CRJ 200. It is a very good airplane but completely underpowered. It did not like to climb above FL310. The CRJ700 and 900 I've heard solved many performance issues and the slats are certainly a welcomed addition. The 737-200 and -800 are good airplanes. I like the performance of the -800 but the FMS VNAV integration leaves a lot to be desired. I could never find the sweet spot on -800 for landings. If I got a great landing I had no clue why. Now my faves are the 757 and 767. The 767ER on domestic trips is a blast to fly. I have seen 4000 FPM climb rates at Mach .80 when leveling at cruise. The straight 767-300 is a great plane as well but doesn't have the performance of the ER. The 757 is perhaps my favorite plane. It climbs well and is perfectly balanced on the controls. In college I heard 757 pilots say it flies like a 172. I think it is more like a Bonanza on the controls. Very honest and very easy to land.

Timmay 04-09-2008 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by 577nitro (Post 359349)
Lynx Q400, you must be in or near denver?

Yep. KRAP! Well, I was there...now here I sit in DIA waiting for the next ride on the commute. *sigh* :(

BEEFF 04-09-2008 04:22 PM

King Air's handle the best out of my DHC8, ATR, ERJ experience. ERJ was decent handling once you got it off the ground (you really have to over rotate and then immediately start trimming nose down). She gets pretty loud above .70

If the DHC8 was rigged right she flew great. The ATR required two hands (almost) to initiate a turn or level from one.

Excel 04-09-2008 10:49 PM

Same as someone mentioned earlier, I dont have any 1900 time but about 1200 hours in kingairs which are virtually identical. Very stable and predictable to fly, however the ride was horrible if the turbulence was anything worse than light with the high amount of wing-loading. I really wish I could have flown a 1900, its a shame as they are all just about gone now!

nicholasblonde 04-09-2008 10:59 PM


Originally Posted by 577nitro (Post 358316)
All things being equal, which one is the most enjoyable to fly? Since the pay is pretty much the same across the board, might as well consider the ride as well. I currently own and fly an early V-tail Bonanza which is just about as sweet a flying GA bird as your to find, so thats my reference point. Biggest bird(s) I've flown is a Beech Duke, about 20 hours, 2 in a T-28....and about .35 in a B-17.

Thanks,
577nitro-

First of all, there is no such word as "funnest." Second of all, none of the aforementioned planes will be "fun" to fly after 2 months @ $25/hour (or less, depending on where you go). Of course I understand you might be one of those people who had success in some other job and now you're getting into the regionals because you want to play pilot for a while.

I don't want to trash on anyone's dreams, but recently it has started getting under my skin the way there are tons of people out there who dive into this career to just kind of dabble in it because they think it's going to be like putting around in their 172 but faster and with flight benefits.

There is fun to be had as an airline pilot, but please take it seriously and don't come into indoc at whatever company jumping up and down saying how cool the Level D is, and how much fun it's going to be. The people in the room with prior 121 who know what a grind it is will thank you for being serious and chilled out about it.


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