WOW........

Yes, I'm easily amused aren't I? :D

You think that if we buy compass they will be stapled? I had only heard conjecture about us grabbing compass, you got anything firmer?

Hopefully not stapled to the bottom. I'm all for DOH; especially since I was hired before Compass even existed :)

RP=Chautauqua Airlines
RW=Republic Airlines

Carry on.

I'm glad somebody else knows the difference. StillGrounded had me worried there.

Thank you.

My bad, i missed the RP. It was a republic thread, didn't think much of it beyond that. You on the c or the e?

...Great googly moogly. Why not ask a Shuttle captain how cool it will be to fly a 175 for the same rate as a 170 because of S5 seating capacities?

In regards to the Compass rumor, it's still little more than wishful thinking on BB's part for now. The Compass guys are aware of the rumor too, but they seem to have enough to worry about as it is.

And they should get paid more to fly a 175 than a 170 why again? After all these are the same people that negotiated the same contract that has an FO making 22.95 to fly a 99 seat 190. For some reason that seemed fair, oh thats right its because they weren't FO's anymore.

No more bodies to please no more pay, that's what they wanted. Next time it needs to be gross weight and a pay scale for FO's that doesn't have other pilots in the industry slashing our tires like we slash their careers! They want a blended rate it needs to be blended with equipment on property. If it varies from one month to the next so be it!

The last contract was negotiated before 170s were even on property. If I remember correctly, before an order was placed.

Nah... how about I enjoy my job as I see fit and leave the whining to you.

That is irrelevant. If they didn't think 99 seat aircraft were not possible there would be nothing in the contract for it.

I get a tired of hearing the whining about 175's at shuttle not making more money. OUR contract is not based on a model # its based on seating. You are not working any harder flying a 175 with 76 seat vs a 170 with 70. If anybody your FAs ought to be making more money.

If we want a good contract there is plenty of guidance in our old one as to what is wrong.

PS I am not slamming our contract or those who had negotiated it. I am however asking people to RTFC!!

Actually, I'm loving my new job so far. I'm only inclined toward "whining" when I have to listen to somebody talk about turning their nose up at anything smaller than an E175. RAH already has enough would-be newhires who are so in love with the big shiny jet that they're not paying enough attention to little things like the contract - or ways to make it better.

SG - They should get paid more for bigger aircraft and more seats because that's the way our next contract should be written. Negotiation time is a good time for the S5 guys to get angry about these things...

But we get paid the same regardless of 35 pax, or 76. Great attitude. How about getting some A320s, would you still fly them for $22.95 an hour?

I hope some of our more senior captains give you a good education.

Some may not fly and A320 without more money, but there are many less qualified people who would fly it for less than that. There lies the problem.

FYI: the Shuttle/Delta 175s = 76 seats. No more than the airways 170's.

I was only voicing a personal preference about an aircraft I would like to fly. And of course, FOs are paid the same on jets. That's the way it is and I accept it. Why whine about something you can't change? And we don't get paid per passenger. Again, so what? Industry standard. You can't change it. Why is it you are bothered by my wanting to fly a plane that holds more passengers? Must whining about pay be bought into EVERYTHING? I'm not sure what you think senior captains are going to educate me on. Perhaps they'll warn me against having personal preferences. With regards to Airbus 320s... not gonna happen, which goes to show you have to trump up a completely bogus premise to prop up your weak argument. And remember, you're complaining about a simple personal preference.

First off, I said nothing resembling "turning my nose up" at anything smaller than an E175. That's your spin, and it's not accurate nor representative of what I said. And for your information, I've gotten past the love affair with the big shiny jet during my 1,100 hours flying the E145. Next, it's industry standard for regionals to pay FOs the same to fly any jet. So in reality, your beef shouldn't be with me, it should be with the industry standard. I accept the standard and realize it's not going to change. Apparently you don't. With regards to the contract... geez, I'm in day 3 of Basic Indoc. Would it be OK with you if I concentrate on training? I've gotten an overview of the contract from a friend here, and it seems reasonable. As time permits, I'll look more closely. Now with regards to getting angry during contract negotiations, be my guest. Whether or not you think we should be paid more to fly the 175 as an FO is irrelevant. It's not going to happen, so get used to it. Plus,getting angry clouds one's judgment. Frankly, I think that's the case with you here in this thread. I merely mentioned I'd like to fly the 175... if my personal preference makes you mad, it's your problem, not mine.

Actually RSD.....there a numerous regional jet companies who have different pay scales for FO's on different JET equipment.... off the top of my head, SKW, ASA, COMAIR come to mind. So its NO unreasonable to expect more money to fly MORE passengers.

If you are in day three of indoc and spending time on here...dont blame anyone but yourself.

Welcome aboard.

Thanks for that tidbit, Herc. Still, I reserve the right to have an aircraft preference for whatever reason I see fit. If someone else wants to make it into a whinefest, it's their problem, not mine. I don't think my simply saying I want to fly the 175 is a basis for lies, bogus fantasies and mischaracterizations of what I said. If someone at Republic is thinks they should be mad about Republic's contract, again that's their problem. As for blaming anyone... blaming for what? Is spending 30 minutes on this site going to harm me in some way?

Why are you draggin me into this? What's up with your class word is they let the new hires go because of Denver closing, inside scoop please?

I like flying them too, I want to be paid accordingly. I promise that you're going to have plenty of captains ****ed off with your attitude. My last two trips have been with captains that echoed this sentiment. And yes, we should be paid more.

Oh yeah, we're in contract negotiations, which means there is something we can do about it. Learn the contract before you get online and you'll be in good shape.

We fly for a good regional. That's about like saying we're the most polished turd. I really do hope that you curb your enthusiasm a little. I'm happy to be here but like anything else it can, and should be better. I'm just tired of hearing people say how cool it is to fly a 170. Flying a cessna is cool, let's all get paid better.

3/25 RW FO's moved into S5 training effective 4/24, keeping 3/25 seniority. All 4/21 FO's terminated. All other classes cancelled.

You in the class?

I didn't mean "still" as in Still Grounded. Sorry for any confusion on the matter.

I was scheduled for a May class. They're putting everyone, including 4/21 guys i am told, into a pool and will award class dates based off of interview dates. They're hoping to resume classes in July or August. They are having to close the DEN base due to losing Frontier and find new homes for 150 or so pilots before they take on new hires. They're also losing 15 or so airframes. They're planning on selling these or placing them under a different carrier. They have said though that they're NOT going to start a branded operation.

This is just a really tough time as you can already tell. Delta and NWA recently reported a combined 10.5 billion dollar loss. About 6.5 of that comes from Delta. United reported over a 500 million dollar loss recently. US Airways also just posted a 236 million dollar loss. Continental reported an 80 million dollar 1Q loss. All of these airlines of course are carriers that Republic flies for.

It seems that Republic is trying to be very proactive about this whole deal, so I'm still pretty optimistic that classes will resume this summer. The good news is that they still need people. But then again, everyone is losing an arm and a leg right now due to high oil prices. I noticed just recently too that my plan b's have stopped hiring for the time being.

MP,

I've got a 5/14 interview. Think it will get put off?

What is your plan B? Mine is starting to sound like, "Hi, welcome to Wal-Mart...."

SC

yup, re-start indoc for S5 this evening

I asked HR about that b/c i have a friend interviewing a week from today. If I remember correctly, she said that as of now they're planning on continuing their scheduled interviews. Just be prepared to be put into a pool. Good news is, they still need pilots. Although, like I mentioned above all the carriers they're working for are reporting BIG losses, but then again so is everyone else in the industry.

Hang in there and good luck.

Multipilot covered it completely. Again, I did NOT mean "still" as in you, Still Grounded.
No worries! :D

Its all good! :D

This was addressed on the majors forum, but just to clarify, DAL and NWA each lost about $250 Million. The billions in losses they claimed was a charge due to lost market cap, and is not an operating loss, a cash loss, or anything that they have to pay. Not sure why they chose to claim the market cap drop as a loss, but presumeably it was some sort of funny-money issue related to the merger.

what Rick said....

Thanks for clearing that up. That makes a lot more sense.

MP,

Yes, I received the email tonight, "You can keep your interview date but....."

Next question, If hired (a big IF when I'm involved) and pooled, until Aug/Sep class date are you expected to stay current in flying? I retire in just a few weeks and will not be flying this summer so can just walk into my class then?

Are you talking personal or legal currency?

As far as legal currency, it doesn't matter. You will do all the approaches and stuff in the sim before the checkride and the checkride will bring up to currency anyway.

If you're talking personal, then try to hit a sim or something at a flight school before you go. But, if you're retiring as a C-12 pilot then you should be able to hold your own in class against a 20 year old who has only been flying a year or two.

Dont sweat it. If you are current and have been flying you will do fine. I had been out of the biz for a number of years when I got back in last year and had about 5 hours in a seneca to knock the rust off before my interview and subsequent ground school and sim. Good luck.

What those two guys above said. My friend that I mentioned earlier received the informational call today. I say go ahead and interview anyway. What have you got to lose? Best case scenario is that you get hired, put in a pool, and get a class date a few months from now.

I got the call from Glenda today confirming the pool but I can still interview. I asked about not flying for a while depending on when classes start up. She said currency is a factor but would not give me a timeframe, i.e. current w/in 2 months, 3 or more/less. I would hate to pool up and get the wave off if classes don't start for 6 months. I guess I may be buying some sim time if required.

I have other hooks in the water, 121/cargo/corp/fractional, but the phone remains quiet.

If you haven't interviewed yet, don't plan on being in class that early. We've got quite a few people who were just told they could pack their bags and head home until July or April. After they start going through class, then we have to wade through all the other people who are swimming right now. I'd say Sept/Oct would be a better bet, and be pleasantly surprised if you get in earlier.