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I can only fly 100hrs in a Month :)

Thats why Day trips are so great, basically 8 hrs of flying every day.

My point is, we all should make every effort we can to make sure the industry doesnt remain as sad as it is, get involved and don't have the attitude, "if you don't like it quit" it should be, "this industry is a joke, lets work together come contract time and make sure management does not take advantage of us"

That's fine for 135/19 seat market.

Only 83/month for the the big tin domestic players.

Why not try part 91 time?

Saab: that is all fine and dandy, and I agree 200% with what you propose. However, where and how do we start? The first hurtle is unifying the pilots, it seems to me that, no matter what you do, someone will always be there to undermine your efforts - to push their own agenda. The next hurtle is actually finding the wherewithal to take effective action. For instance, look at how much trouble Pinnacle pilots are having in the renegotiation of their contract. How long has it been? A few years and running? It seems nearly impossible for pilots to negotiate a contract that duly compensates us for our expertise. Really the only effective method of bringing management to terms, that I can think of anyway, is a strike. But again, it seems impossible to actually bring a pilot group to such action; considering again pilot-unity, and now also the many legal implications.

So again, where and how do we start?

Sometimes just speaking an idea outloud with no apperant plan of action, will in time come to some meaningful conclusion.

I think this is been on the minds of many that have not said anything. Just give it some more time and let the idea fester, someone will come up with a bad/good idea, and that will be the start of a great idea.

I think just got to give it some time to think


I dont have the answers

Reeves

I moved furniture for over 12 years. At the end of my last year driving the check I wrote to the IRS was 10,000 more than a regional FO will make. I gave up the six figure income for the shot at flying for a living. Money in not everything when it comes to work. Job satisfaction is. If you are not happy, leave. It is that simple. I did and could not be happier.

So I have one question... when will you stop complaining? You used to work for an airline that wasn't up to the regional average... ok so you complained. Now you work for "one of the better regionals". You have spent a year there and you already are complaining some more.

So SAAB I have one question for you.... will you ever stop complaining?

I think I know that the answer will be no. You might as well be a captain for FedEX, you would be complaining about night flying. No matter how good your situation is you will complain. When all someone does is complain you begin to understand that this person is simply someone who would rather cry about thier misfortunes than do the necissary work to make ther own situation better.

Good on you SAAB. Thank you for reminding all of us that we aren't millionaires, we don't all make six figure incomes, and having decent jobs that provide heath care for our famililes and an above average income is somehow not good enough.

Like I said earlier... we should all make more money and have better work rules, but if you didn't know this coming in, espicially only 3 years ago that is nobody's fault but your own.

Very few know how crappy things are coming in. Granted, you can do a lot of research online and get copy's of contracts. But that is something "new".

It really ticks me off when everyone says "you knew this coming in". BULL! They drink the KOOL AID management feeds them because there is no one to tell them any different. The only way they LEARN is by experiencing it! Don't tell me you knew how everything was going to be when you went to your first airline.

Of course this job is better than some flight instructing/freight/ect gigs, but that doesn't mean it isn't crappy.

I think the people who complain are the ones who've worked for good companies in the past and got spoiled. The ones who don't complain are the ones who don't know any better and are use to being treated like crap.

If I know what I know now. I would NEVER have gotten into aviation.

Oh well...Hind sight.

That has been going through my head for quite some time now... Of course, I'm just being a cry baby.... :rolleyes:

It does need to get better. We WILL take this industry back! All it takes is a stand and for us to STOP accepting low paying jobs. That means fill out the application, go to the interview, pass it, and then find out what starting pay is and tell them why you're leaving.

Is it possible for pilots to boycott a hiring pool successfully? Man I wish the word would just get out fast enough for it to be effective... there always seems to be someone like ME who will take the job... and then regret it.

Good post!!!

I'll stop complaining when conditions ands pay improve, unlike you I am not settling. You talk about working for an airline and how it gives you health insurance, well I hope you never get hired at CAL, because if you do I wish you a lot of luck those 1st six months.........

Sad that you are ok with the current state of the industry, I however am not.

I am not here to just complain either, I am the Newark F/O Rep, so I am doing a small part to help the lives of pilots I work with..........