Hell, I don't take home much more than that. Only 5 more months 'till I'm on 2nd year pay!

Yep...I'm just a hair over that myself - after consolidation :eek:

Here here! You all (I was chastized for using y'all before by one of our ever so smart 20 something spiked hair FO's) would last about 5 mins in the military.

Oh come on now...that's a lame argument if I've ever heard one.

Generation "Why?!?" might as a group be a bunch of spoiled rotten brats, and that might also transfer as a group to "ever so smart 20 something sky-haired FOs"...but you should know by now that comparing military service to flying at a freaking regional airline is like comparing apples and pomegranates.

Besides, in the ANG work rules are better than most regional airlines anyway :D

As long as you don't own a home, have a wife or kids, no desire for either in the next several years, don't live on the east or west coast, and don't mind living like a college student, then I agree with you 100%.

I wasn't talking about flying airplanes in the military vs civilian.....I was talking about spoiled Gen Y'ers who would whine and cry like they do constantly on the outside lasting 5 mins with a DI in thier face as they cry about anything that makes them uncomfortable.

Is this a record thread 25 pages? NICE

With my settings, it's only 13 pages.

I spent all my money on the gold chain i have on in the picture. (LOL)

I don't know what my setting are but it shows 25.

Are you serious? 'Comair updates?' is at like 317pages

I missed that one

No biggie, and thanks POPA I changed my settings and it is only 7 pages... much easier to navigate from my phone.

thank you, someone else who understands how much it costs to actually live, and not just get by............

Its not that the rest of us don't understand, but really.........what does sitting around crying about it all the time accomplish? Misery loves company? Does it make you feel better to sound off about all the ills of being a pilot that many others have stated ad infinitum before? Its like a broken record. Ok, we get it, you for the most part don't like being a 121 pilot. So what are you doing about it????

Well, attempting to make a difference being the EWR ALPA REP, which is probably more then what you are doing ;)

??tired??
 

so SAAB why dont you got to netjets or flexjet. you can actually make a buck and it is never the same thing twice.:)

I have my ATP Written, but not the ATP Certificate.

Spend the $1500...

sooo, i know of two people that where hired at flex without an ATP. and they got it on the type ride, but that was before the ATA mess. anyways best of luck.

contemplating it, but I the 7 on, 7 off is a deal breaker..............How the hell can you have a solid family life like that?

"the 7 on, 7 off is a deal breaker..............How the hell can you have a solid family life like that?"

HAHA...now I know you're in the wrong business. 7/7 is a great schedule. Typical where I work in what you would consider one of the best jobs out there. A job even Sky considers worthy. If you can't make 7/7work, follow Sky's advice, and find another line of work.

7/7 maybe be a great schedule for you, or Skyhigh, but not me :)

Again, I am a daytrip kinda guy. In all reality Charter/NetJets just doesn't really appeal to me that much, neither does Night flying ;)

More than a third of UPS and FDX flying is day-time flying.

I think SAAB is in a very dark place right now and he is the only one who can pull himself out of there...follow de727UPS advice...he is pointing you in the right direction.

maybe, Im actually surprised a lot of you guys are as happy with this industry as you are.

FedEx and UPS, I would obviously kill for, if one could keep the night flying to a minimum :), NetJets just isnt my style ;), same goes with Emriates, You couldn't pay me enough to live in DUBAI

Perhaps at the moment you are but I'm not the one constantly crying about how much it sucks to be a pilot.
Saw your response coming from about 100 miles away.

Yes and this is the kind of representation you get with an ALPA rep......someone in a dark place who doesn't like the profession. I feel sorry for the XJet EWR folks. What a gip.

So SAAB, you don't like charter, don't like 7 on 7 off, don't like night flying and you don't like 121 as a whole. Ya know man I don't like the sight of blood, working 48 hrs straight, dealing with unscrupulous HMO's and working the ER for years on end as a resident........THATS WHY I DIDN'T BECOME A DOCTOR!!!!!!

reading & comprehension just isn't your thing is it?

Apparently its DEFINITELY not your thing. I understand you "love" the job but hate the industry. Doesn't make it ok to constantly b**** about it. Get out for Gods sake and do us all a favor. Whats the difference anyway??? You hate the industry, leave.

Good for you :) As professional pilot you can make 1/10th of a Doctor's salary...
On the side note, SAAB is at least aware of how crappy this industry has become and is trying to do something about. But it's a hard fight if some people that he is trying to fight for tell him that he's "crying".

I have an idea for all the guys that always tell others to "suck it up". Maybe with the hard times ahead we should all help out our wonderful management and ask for another pay cut, after all it's not like we fly for the money. Let's suck it up and help our lines survive because we just love flying so much, more than money and stability in life. (that's based on some of previous posts)

Another ignorant post. I can see now why we are in the position we are in. Just go ahead and wallow in your misery while the rest of us have to listen to your constant babble.

His post was not ignorant. Simply the yin to your yang. He is making a good point, a mentality that you seem to be defending. That we know what the situation entails and should just put up and shut up. To say that is to imply that things are ok the way they are. Do you think the current wages, work rules etc. are satisfactory?

7 an 7 is subjective...my opinion, it sucks. Not condusive to family life, at least not mine.

"7 an 7 is subjective...my opinion, it sucks."

Stay away from cargo.

Cry

v.intr.
1. To sob or shed tears because of grief, sorrow, or pain; weep.
2. To call loudly; shout.
3. To utter a characteristic sound or call. Used of an animal.
4. To demand or require immediate action or remedy: grievances crying out for redress.

No, I dint think he is crying. Perhaps it could be argued that he is crying under definition #4, but it would be a fallacy.

The problem I have with what he says is he offers no solution to the industry's problems except to only work for XJT and maybe one or two others. He HAS worked at a "bottom feeder". I wonder what he actually did to improve life there? Did he ACTIVELY seek union representation or even participate in the CPG (granted a weak alternative, but it would show effort). Instead of moaning about "Screw Scheduling," did he try submitting suggestions how improve life for both sides? Or did he just wave his arms and say the industry treats him badly?


As for "our wonderful management", you picked your employer. Did you do some research about who leads your company. Heck most airlines have a who-we-are page on their website, and google is great too.


I whole heartedly welcome constructive advice. Life could be better, and I am willing to WORK to improve it. But crying, "woe is me" does not make anything better.

The only job I know whose schedule is conducive to family life is school teacher.

Long Hours
 

Many professions have long hours but having nights and weekends off is a biggie. Most jobs at least offer that. Having your life somewhat in sync with that of your family and the rest of humanity is essential.

SkyHigh

I am not going to turn this into a Colgan thread, however there was no "CPG" when I was there, and it was my first 121 airline, I thought being re-assigned everyday and sleeping in hangers was done at every airline.

I work as a bar back (getting cases, changing kegs, etc.) at a local pub two or three nights a month. I get a small cut of the tips ($30-40 for an evening), but the best part is I haven't PAID for a drink in weeks."



I bet you cry once in while when you come home from the glamorous job of an airline pilot and as you fall asleep you just remembered that you have to go to work at a bar just make ends meet...