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xjcaptain 05-04-2008 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by maxjet (Post 379035)
I have been in this biz for a while. I have seen and heard the above comment more than a few times from new guys. When you train at an airline, instrument proficiency has very little to do with your passing or failing the course.


Having worked in the training department for a 121 carrier for over 9 years I would respectfully disagree. At least with new hire. All of the things you talked about needing to learn during training are true. However those that struggle the most with learnig those things in the sim are those that have poor instrument skills. If you are using 98% of your mental capacity for basic instrument flying issues, there is nearly nothing left over to learn the airplane/company sop/ and the hundreds of other little things you need to observe. If you come in very proficient, your vision widens dramatically and you will "see" much more in the sim, and have time to worry about checklist items, profiles etc.

BoredwLife 05-04-2008 09:26 AM

Thanks for the thread. This is true. You have to many "Just out of college" new hires that want to chill and relax at moms until class starts. IMHO you guys are almost worthless as FOs when you only have 250 hours anyway. 2 months off and you will revert back to a student pilot. HAHA Ive seen it.

POPA 05-04-2008 09:44 AM

Gee, thanks Dad.

ghilis101 05-04-2008 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by Airwaves (Post 378809)
Sorry we aren't all Skygods like you.

Lets see. You started a thread lecturing people you dont even know, about a scenario youre not even in, giving advice that doesnt apply to you right now. and youre calling me a Skygod? youre a total idiot, and i mean that with all due respect.

My point was plain and simple. They can do what ever they want. if they want to fly, so be it. if they want to relax at home, thats fine too. everybody is different, so let them decide. Im going to go out on a limb and say that most of the pilots sitting in the pool right now are relatively experienced - they are probably not your 250 hour wonders, they probably have quite a bit of multi/inst time and arent going to forget how to fly overnight. And if they are 250 hour wonders, then they never had that much experience in the first place to try to keep current so it wont have that much of an effect.

PittsburghDude 05-04-2008 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by ghilis101 (Post 379158)
Lets see. You started a thread lecturing people you dont even know, about a scenario youre not even in, giving advice that doesnt apply to you right now. and youre calling me a Skygod? youre a total idiot, and i mean that with all due respect.

My point was plain and simple. They can do what ever they want. if they want to fly, so be it. if they want to relax at home, thats fine too. everybody is different, so let them decide. Im going to go out on a limb and say that most of the pilots sitting in the pool right now are relatively experienced - they are probably not your 250 hour wonders, they probably have quite a bit of multi/inst time and arent going to forget how to fly overnight. And if they are 250 hour wonders, then they never had that much experience in the first place to try to keep current so it wont have that much of an effect.




word man, well said.

bradeku1008 05-04-2008 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by ghilis101 (Post 379158)
Lets see. You started a thread lecturing people you dont even know, about a scenario youre not even in, giving advice that doesnt apply to you right now. and youre calling me a Skygod? youre a total idiot, and i mean that with all due respect.

My point was plain and simple. They can do what ever they want. if they want to fly, so be it. if they want to relax at home, thats fine too. everybody is different, so let them decide. Im going to go out on a limb and say that most of the pilots sitting in the pool right now are relatively experienced - they are probably not your 250 hour wonders, they probably have quite a bit of multi/inst time and arent going to forget how to fly overnight. And if they are 250 hour wonders, then they never had that much experience in the first place to try to keep current so it wont have that much of an effect.

Nice, Very Nice

ExperimentalAB 05-04-2008 06:06 PM

As long as you're not a complete space-cadet, maybe...Heck, even a monkey can mate the little airplane with the magenta FD...

BURflyer 05-04-2008 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by xjcaptain (Post 379051)
Having worked in the training department for a 121 carrier for over 9 years I would respectfully disagree. At least with new hire. All of the things you talked about needing to learn during training are true. However those that struggle the most with learnig those things in the sim are those that have poor instrument skills. .

This may be true for props, jets are different. With my experience it's not really instrument proficiency that gets people. As experimental said, all you have to do is match the airplane with the FD and turn on the AP. I really think it's as simple as you're either ready or you're not. The people that bust all have a similar story. If you're the type of person that takes time to understand things or for lack of a better term "slow" then you're going to have a hard time in a 121 training environment. The guys that understood that 121 flying is totally different from instructing VFR in the pattern and adjusted accordingly had the most success.


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