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ksatflyer 05-05-2008 07:27 PM

PSA Upgrade Classes Cancelled
 
Well, just got an email, both of the upcoming upgrade classes cancelled. Guess the frenzy is over.....There goes any chance of a line next month..........

turbomax97 05-05-2008 07:46 PM

My friend interviewed in February, and his class date has been pushed from March, to April, May, well you get the idea - his class is currently canceled indefinately.

Meatball 05-05-2008 08:45 PM

Eagle is still hiring a lot. Good place to go until you find something better. Long upgrades (may change) but the best schedules and work rules of any regional IMO.

ksatflyer 05-05-2008 08:48 PM

Considered eagle a while back but just so close to a line here in PSA, 2 spots last month to be exact. Dallas would be nice though :D

flynavyj 05-06-2008 10:13 AM

a lateral move when everything is going fine isn't a smart move, a lateral move when everything is stale is an even worse decision. Don't go "chasing" an upgrade or some mystical quality of life. Stick to your guns, do your time, and leave when the time is right for you....you bounce around from amateur night to amateur night, and you may spend a lifetime singing in dive bars.

champguy 05-06-2008 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by flynavyj (Post 380161)
a lateral move when everything is going fine isn't a smart move, a lateral move when everything is stale is an even worse decision. Don't go "chasing" an upgrade or some mystical quality of life. Stick to your guns, do your time, and leave when the time is right for you....you bounce around from amateur night to amateur night, and you may spend a lifetime singing in dive bars.


I'm interested. Do you have a payscale?;)

ksatflyer 05-06-2008 08:53 PM

Ya Im not goin anywhere just a bummer when I was 1 away from a line this month and was counting on all those guys upgrading... But who doesnt love reserve? :-D

Mookie 05-06-2008 10:32 PM


Originally Posted by flynavyj (Post 380161)
a lateral move when everything is going fine isn't a smart move, a lateral move when everything is stale is an even worse decision. Don't go "chasing" an upgrade or some mystical quality of life. Stick to your guns, do your time, and leave when the time is right for you....you bounce around from amateur night to amateur night, and you may spend a lifetime singing in dive bars.

sorry but that's a bunch of crap. Bail from PSA at the first opportunity. I"ll never forget on my exit interview from PSA when I told they chief pilot that I was going to skywest...he said..."good move..." that place was great when the Dorniers were there, but I've heard it's gone to hell....

Mookie

Airwaves 05-06-2008 11:14 PM


Originally Posted by Mookie (Post 380633)
sorry but that's a bunch of crap. Bail from PSA at the first opportunity. I"ll never forget on my exit interview from PSA when I told they chief pilot that I was going to skywest...he said..."good move..." that place was great when the Dorniers were there, but I've heard it's gone to hell....

Mookie


Enjoying that Skywest Kool-Aid I see?

Mookie 05-06-2008 11:16 PM

not any more....

Mookie
(Former Skywest Alpa Organizing Commitee member).

Airwaves 05-06-2008 11:17 PM


Originally Posted by Mookie (Post 380646)
not any more....

Mookie
(Former Skywest Alpa Organizing Commitee member).

Ah sorry my friend, I apologize. Good luck fighting the good fight.

mwa1 05-07-2008 08:26 AM

can you honestly say that PSA in the Dornier days is anything like it is today? or the advice then is still valid?

volasl 05-07-2008 10:13 AM

they give exit interviews? Never heard of that

gintasr 05-07-2008 10:19 AM

Aparently everybody in the FO class that started last month was fired... also 5 out of the previous class failed their PC's. Now 2 CA classes cancalled... I hope somethings not up. Oh yeah, future FO classes cancelled to. Anyway, I have a comair interview this month so hopefully Ill get that and wont have to commute to RSV.

belliott 05-07-2008 10:38 AM

What?! Fired? What the heck is going on here?!

BIGRIG 05-07-2008 11:09 AM

Its too bad this is going on at PSA. I never really here anything about you guys, I always figured that was a good thing. Hopefully it turns around quick and you guys get back on track with upgrades and hiring. And also put the people from the last class into a pool, and dont fire them.

Blueskies21 05-07-2008 03:19 PM


Aparently everybody in the FO class that started last month was fired... also 5 out of the previous class failed their PC's. Now 2 CA classes cancalled... I hope somethings not up. Oh yeah, future FO classes cancelled to. Anyway, I have a comair interview this month so hopefully Ill get that and wont have to commute to RSV.
I don't know where you think you're getting your info but if you're talking about FO's in intial Sim most recently only two guys went home, not for failing the PC but for resigning without getting signed off. And I haven't heard anything about people getting fired just pooled.

BigFellor 05-07-2008 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by Blueskies21 (Post 381047)
I don't know where you think you're getting your info but if you're talking about FO's in intial Sim most recently only two guys went home, not for failing the PC but for resigning without getting signed off. And I haven't heard anything about people getting fired just pooled.

He isn't I dont think. Heard the same thing. Something like 9 of 10 new hire FOs were canned in indoc for cheating on some test. One guy apparently had a copy from a previous class in his flight bag the instructor happened to see.

Airwaves 05-07-2008 06:44 PM

Nobody cheated.

Flight84 05-07-2008 07:46 PM


Originally Posted by BigFellor (Post 381098)
He isn't I dont think. Heard the same thing. Something like 9 of 10 new hire FOs were canned in indoc for cheating on some test. One guy apparently had a copy from a previous class in his flight bag the instructor happened to see.


I also heard they cheated on a test. But who knows

ksatflyer 05-07-2008 07:49 PM

Wow! If they felt the need to cheat on the indoc test they had it coming anyway

Airwaves 05-07-2008 07:53 PM

Nobody cheated.

trackpilot 05-07-2008 07:53 PM

How can you cheat on an indoc test anyways???:confused: Our instructor stayed in the room the entire time. But i heard that the instructor used to say they were going to go "smoke" while you took the test and it was known that you could "help" each other out then. But i dunno...

Airwaves 05-07-2008 08:00 PM

I get a kick out of some guys on here so quick to throw their brothers under the bus. These new guys are more so called, "job security" for you. Why don't you get the full story, and put all the facts together before you damn them.

trackpilot 05-07-2008 08:03 PM

So what really happened and where are you guys getting these "facts" from?

shanejj 05-08-2008 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by Airwaves (Post 381260)
I get a kick out of some guys on here so quick to throw their brothers under the bus. These new guys are more so called, "job security" for you. Why don't you get the full story, and put all the facts together before you damn them.

I agree......:o

BigFellor 05-08-2008 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by Airwaves (Post 381260)
I get a kick out of some guys on here so quick to throw their brothers under the bus. These new guys are more so called, "job security" for you. Why don't you get the full story, and put all the facts together before you damn them.

Agreed .... but ...


Originally Posted by Airwaves (Post 381255)
Nobody cheated.

So, what do you know? Just passing along info I heard, thats all. Could be wrong, could be true, I dont know/care.

meeko031 05-08-2008 09:50 AM

aren't indoc tests open book?

dwightkschrute 05-08-2008 03:39 PM

Yeah they are open book and I don't see any reason for why they would have cheated (if they even did). I mean, if you don't know how to read then I see how one would need to cheat but last time I checked, being able to read was a requirement to get a pilot's license.

LonzoTWA 05-08-2008 09:24 PM

I worked there during the 328 years and it was a blast. I left in '97 but it was a good place to work back then. Is Steve Toothe still around there?

Lonny

texaspilot76 05-08-2008 10:15 PM

Toothe is still here. I'm flying with him this trip.

As far as the test, I heard someone had a copy of the systems test, which is not open book. If that was the case, I can see why they were let go.

OnMyWay 05-09-2008 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by texaspilot76 (Post 382243)
Toothe is still here. I'm flying with him this trip.

As far as the test, I heard someone had a copy of the systems test, which is not open book. If that was the case, I can see why they were let go.

Last captain I flew with said the same thing, systems test. I did not know that they ended up getting fired!

Airwaves 05-09-2008 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by texaspilot76 (Post 382243)
Toothe is still here. I'm flying with him this trip.

As far as the test, I heard someone had a copy of the systems test, which is not open book. If that was the case, I can see why they were let go.

Why don't you stomp em too, while you are throwing them under the bus?

328dude 05-09-2008 08:41 AM

8 resigned facing possible termination, 1 was not fired, and 1 is fighting the termination for CHEATING on the CBT's. These are all facts.

Done, move on.

Airwaves 05-09-2008 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by 328dude (Post 382480)
8 resigned facing possible termination, 1 was not fired, and 1 is fighting the termination for CHEATING on the CBT's. These are all facts.

Done, move on.


The one that was not fired just denied everything, so they didn't fire him. Everyone else was honest, because they weren't cheating. PSA needed to get rid of people, and instead of furloughing, after cancelling two capatain upgrades, and new hire classes for the rest of the year, they fired these guys.

Mr Facts are Done 328.

328dude 05-09-2008 08:46 AM

All of which I agree. It's a bit weird, but this is the reason they used. Now, Shaun found the test in the bag, it's kind of hard admitting you weren't cheating with it in your bag.

However, you said the one that denied everything wasen't fired, but the other ones that spoke the truth and denied they were cheating were fired? Either it was a typo, our that's confusing.

Airwaves 05-09-2008 08:54 AM

I've heard different variations of the story from several sources, including a couple of the guys in the class at the airport. Who is Shaun? It seems they obtained the study guide, or "cheat sheet" from one student, who won't exactly release where he got it from, so either another student, or a ground instructor.

It's all a load of crap in the end. Most of them will go to Eagle now, and probably still have jobs in a year.

trackpilot 05-09-2008 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by 328dude (Post 382480)
CHEATING on the CBT's.

Do you mean the systems test? Because none of the stuff on the CBT's were really important. They just helped you learn the systems.

328dude 05-09-2008 09:00 AM

I got the story from TA. Shaun was the instructor who found the test. It will be hard, even though they resigned rather then face termination, the PRIA will show it when the PRIA request is submitted.

They could always lie, but the other background stuff will catch it.

Good luck to em, they will need it.

328dude 05-09-2008 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by trackpilot (Post 382512)
Do you mean the systems test? Because none of the stuff on the CBT's were really important. They just helped you learn the systems.

Yea, but aren't the CBT test's timed? Rather than looking for the stuff in the open book, someone had the answers rather then sitting there looking for the stuff. Just had to come back and move the mouse to keep the timer running.


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