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duvie 05-07-2008 02:59 AM

Save a few short-sighted folks out there, I don't think anybody really wants scope relaxation. Its pretty clear when you have 7 daily flights to FWA from ORD in CRJ-700s that there is a problem. Mainline can barely break even and the regionals are raking in the cash? Either this is an elaborate money shuffle or something needs to be done.

Superpilot, I agree with many of your stances, but unfortunately I don't think XJT has anymore aces up their sleeves. This guess could certainly be wrong, but I think they would be smarter to either start securing more regional flying or give the planes back. I don't think the branded flying can support that much expansion (although you know better than I do) and just holding on to airframes to make CAL mad is childish and not in the best interest of the XJT pilots, the shareholders or anybody else that I can think of.

BoilerUP 05-07-2008 04:08 AM


Originally Posted by TonyWilliams (Post 380647)
I'm wrong about how long you've been at the big show? I said weeks... so how many weeks, 10, 20 max ? Ya, you're an old hand now (snort, belch). Yeppers, you're the sheeeet.

I actually worked at Douglas Aircraft, building the DC-9, probably while you were filling your diapers up. I can't give ya too much grief, 'cuz I wouldn't want to be on the bottom of the seniority list of a merging airline, in an obsolete airplane. Good luck, chief.

I know you and Superpilot have a nice banter going back and forth, but your posts lately haven't been keeping with your normal amount of level-headedness, Tony. I often disagreed with yet always respected your posts...but that's starting to slip. What's changed to make you have such a stereotypical "my airline and airplane is better than yours" regional pilot attitude? You're starting to sound suspiciously like the cocky XJT FOs from 4 years ago and the RJET 170 FOs from 3 years ago...and your comments certainly don't seem to be tongue-in-cheek.

Not that it really matters and certainly not that I'm your keeper, but as an outside observer it definitely has me wondering ***?

hendefea 05-07-2008 04:31 AM

amen to that.....

Airsupport 05-07-2008 04:40 AM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 380678)
I know you and Superpilot have a nice banter going back and forth, but your posts lately haven't been keeping with your normal amount of level-headedness, Tony. I often disagreed with yet always respected your posts...but that's starting to slip. What's changed to make you have such a stereotypical "my airline and airplane is better than yours" regional pilot attitude? You're starting to sound suspiciously like the cocky XJT FOs from 4 years ago and the RJET 170 FOs from 3 years ago...and your comments certainly don't seem to be tongue-in-cheek.

Not that it really matters and certainly not that I'm your keeper, but as an outside observer it definitely has me wondering ***?


one word. sapa. they pick them young and naive so they can mold and brainwash them into the company yes men. its a sad but real truth.

BoilerUP 05-07-2008 04:59 AM


Originally Posted by Airsupport (Post 380696)
one word. sapa. they pick them young and naive so they can mold and brainwash them into the company yes men. its a sad but real truth.

But Tony isn't young, and shouldn't be naive. He has more aviation industry experience than a dozen average regional FOs having been an air traffic controller, member of NATCA, and evidently an employee of Douglas Aircraft. He's obviously been around long enough to see the ebb and flow of the industry...if he was paying attention.

No, I don't think your hypothesis works for Tony. Maybe some SKYWers, but not him.

Tony doesn't have to justify himself or any of his statements to me or anybody else...but I am curious why the shift in his demeanor has taken place.

Hayduke 05-07-2008 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 380707)
Tony doesn't have to justify himself or any of his statements to me or anybody else...but I am curious why the shift in his demeanor has taken place.

Skywest has been getting smacked around on the internets a lot recently, and it grates on you to get called a w#$re every day by anonymous people.

Sucks even worse for those of us who think that overall it's a good company but don't drink all the koolaid St. George serves. I feel stuck in the middle and get ****ed at both the skywest haters and those who think that SKW can do no wrong.

If they really are planning on getting expressjet's 145's to fly for continental, I'm not going to be happy.

spitfire1500 05-07-2008 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 380526)
If we buy mesa, we inherit the pilots too. I could maybe see buying the freedom certificate after most of the pilots are removed, but freedom already has ERJ authority...why would SKW need ERJ authorization just to own/operate freedom? They wouldn't...

Mesa's certificate has ERJ approval also, those ERJ's were on the Mesa certificate and moved to Freedom for scope reasons with Delta.

G-Dog 05-07-2008 05:25 AM

Those of you who think the Skywest is going to take the planes and not the pilots have to be smoking something. Where are they going to find pilots to fill those seats? I do not think many Express Jet guys will go over to fly the planes and start over in seniority.

I think CAL is playing Express at the cost of Skywest. Good luck guys.

Jetlinker 05-07-2008 05:31 AM


Originally Posted by G-Dog (Post 380716)
Those of you who think the Skywest is going to take the planes and not the pilots have to be smoking something. Where are they going to find pilots to fill those seats? I do not think many Express Jet guys will go over to fly the planes and start over in seniority.

I think CAL is playing Express at the cost of Skywest. Good luck guys.


You got that right.

weasil 05-07-2008 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by G-Dog (Post 380716)
Those of you who think the Skywest is going to take the planes and not the pilots have to be smoking something. Where are they going to find pilots to fill those seats? I do not think many Express Jet guys will go over to fly the planes and start over in seniority.

I think CAL is playing Express at the cost of Skywest. Good luck guys.

Skywest has the pilots right now- we got boatloads of guys sitting around on reserve and everybody else scrambling to fly more than 75 hrs /mth. No pilot shortage here my friend.

And Tony W. I wish you would stop trying to make yourself the skywest spokesperson on here... you make us all look bad.


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