delete my post....yeah ok....you have to be kidding me!!!

I'm quoting this out of his drunken rambling:

"ALPA is not here to protect me and I am screwed because I can't be a pilot anymore"

He's not a SkyWest guy, so those hater's can relax. Sounds like he got canned from an ALPA carrier.

It is a small miracle that he isn't a SkyWest'er...::sigh::

> XJT MEC Update
> May 9, 2008
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> Your MEC met today in Special Session to hear presentations from SkyWest Inc. and ExpressJet executives related to the proposed acquisition of ExpressJet Holdings Inc. by SkyWest.
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> Prior to today’s meeting, your MEC requested financial and legal analysis of our present economic and contractual protection in light of the proposed transaction. At that point, we had no clear indication of SkyWest’s operational integration intention should the deal be completed. We requested that ALPA staff be present for the SkyWest presentation to offer their analysis of the proposal.
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> SkyWest Proposal
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> SkyWest’s plans are to run ExpressJet as a separately held airline under the holding company umbrella, similar to the way they currently hold and operate ASA. SkyWest went on to summarize the CPA they negotiated for ExpressJet with Continental should the proposed deal go through:
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> • 10-year CPA for 205 A/C (extends to 15 years for any new A/C acquisition). The CPA allows CAL to review the CPA cost after one year if they perceive they are paying more than current market rate. If “not competitive,” the CPA can be sent out for bid BUT SkyWest has the right of “last look.”
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> • Allows for up to 75 A/C to be removed but replaced one for one. The scenario presented presumed CAL achieves scope relief in the next contract and larger A/C would be introduced in place of the retired A/C.
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> • Retains current Pass Travel classification.
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> The presentation included estimates for pilot reductions based on the fact that the current plan only includes the CAL flying at 205 A/C. Through their due diligence process they are reviewing the feasibility of continuing some of the other lines of business. They were clear that Branded would not operate under their ownership. The ultimate fate of the A/C dedicated to this operation is still undecided; however, SkyWest has also reached a CPA with Continental to allow its subsidiary to operate a number of aircraft for Continental outside of the 205 flown by ExpressJet.
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> Their presentation included no immediate request for contract concession and provided a mechanism for larger aircraft to be flown by ExpressJet pilots.
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> XJT Presentation
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> Jim Ream and James Nides joined the meeting in the afternoon. They presented an industry and Company update containing much the same information they have provided previously. The presentation from Jim Ream was not immediately as dire as SkyWest’s view but it was clear that ExpressJet faces serious financial hurdles going forward. They are planning to continue to pull down Branded flying and reallocating some of those aircraft to the Charter operation. It is likely that staff reductions will be required as a result. ExpressJet will re-evaluate the entire Branded operation this fall.
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> They continue to expect that CAL will pull the next 51 A/C and allow the CPA to expire. While they felt that this provides an opportunity for XJT, it is not without significant risk.
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> The pilots of ExpressJet face tough decisions during the next few weeks and months. Ultimately, any decisions will rest on the vote of the pilot group. Decisions of this magnitude cannot be made without more information. Your MEC needs to engage in further due diligence to provide the best possible information to the group in order to allow each pilot to make an informed decision. This Blastmail is not meant to provide you with information to make an immediate decision and we apologize for the late release. We will continue to review the SkyWest proposal over the weekend and we will request additional information from ExpressJet and SkyWest. The MEC plans to meet again within the week.
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> Please contact your local council representative for any questions or concerns.
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> In short, Skywest’s presentation did not paint a rosy picture of the future for ExpressJet as an independent carrier. Putting it bluntly, the Skywest team feels that XJT is heading for bankruptcy. They based this presumption on public filings and Continental’s public stance on the future of the XJT CPA (i.e., pulling down the next 51 aircraft and allowing the CPA to expire). They also feel that there are no meaningful opportunities for replacements for the Continental flying.
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> Although our current management feels there is significant risk to the Company as a result of the higher fuel cost and the difficulty renegotiating the CPA, the immediate threat, in their view, is less ominous than the dire predictions forecast by SkyWest.

hopefully some people sobered up this morning so this doesn't continue to sound like a VH1 reality show.

Seattlecfi, this is NOT something that should have been posted on here, and you had no right to do so. Mods, if you're gonna edit what I say, please do me and the rest of the XJET pilot group a favor and remove this letter.

Jetlinker, get off your High Horse. This letter is public material once it was given out to the pilots. Just like every contract is public. Skywest employees deserve to know what their management is offering to XJT.

Then let SkyWest management post their own letter to their own pilot group if they want to know what's going on.

I reposted this letter from a public forum.

thats fine, but due to the fact that we were in "executive Session" some facts can not be sent out publicly and there is more to the story the just the email........

Seattlecfi, thank you for the letter. Until it was posted, the debate would just have continued to be one-sided.

How many total pilots are there at XJet?

2800-2900.

Skywest management would want to furlough around 700 of us and then let us interview over at SKW to do our same flying out of LAX at first-year pay. How thoughtful of them.

It would be like a CHQ guy going to the RAH flying and having to start all over at year-one pay. He would first have to re-interview as well to get the job and go through training.

Once again more whining from some pilots, what a surprise

Now I know why they built the ignore function into APC.

Rocky would be embarrassed if he knew you had him as your avatar.............

it's amazing how much easier life is with it :D

Yeah, kind of like Lindbergh and GoJet...

Who is Lindbergh? Heard them on the radio and I don't know who they are.

GoJet's new callsign ::shudders::

Already done. I had seen this letter days ago, as it appeared on our public forum.

That is a very well written, and objective letter. I am glad that XJT seems to have a great team leading them through this. Good luck fellas

I have many friends at XJT and do not want us to take any of their flying. That being said I am disappointed by the attitudes expressed by some on this forum regarding "their" "LAX" flying. It seems they are ignoring the fact that a large chunk of this flying is being done out of SLC on former SKW routes on a pro-rate contract. It seems like they have no problem undercutting others but cry foul when they are treated the same way. I hope we can stand together as pilots so that both groups can benefit in the future.

True statement. XJT does a lot of flying out of SLC that really DID "belong" to SKW...since the very beginning of the regional industry.

Also the LAX DAL flying was temporary...everybody knew that when it started. It was a convenient placeholder until SKW could get the UAL non-compete rule waived at LAX.

I certainly don't want any CAL flying at the expense of XJT, but SLC??? That's not "XJT's Flying"....get real folks. I'll be happy to see that back where it belongs, thanks.

Also anyone who took a job at XJT after CAL announced the first reduction should not be complaining. Did you REALLY think things were looking peachy in the long-term? Every heard of Air Indy? Hellooo, McFly!

Wow!

Maybe you should thank RAH first if you are going to take that route. Guess who wouldn't be in "your" neck of the woods if CAL didn't take away "our" flying for them.

Get off your high horse

And Wow again!

The Delta flying in LAX is not temporary! They signed a 2-year agreement to test us out. Again, maybe you should look at why we had to fill in at LAX in the first place. Do you think we just went out and bought 69 new aircraft?

I hope you guys don't represent the majority of the pilots at Skywest.

They were "testing" you? Did you pass?

I don't feel too strongly about the LAX flying, but I don't feel that XJT has any more entitlement than ASA or SKW. Nobody I know at SKW or XJT ever thought that was permament...did you? Really? What have you been smoking? You know we're supposed to stay away from that stuff in 121...

How long have you worked at XJT? Less than two years?

None of this flying belongs to anybody! It is mainline flying that they delegate as they see fit. Get real my fellow pilots. Anybody see parallels between Air Wisconsin and XJT right about now? A great airline that "lost" their flying and bases to SKW because their management couldn't understand that we are independent contractor's for major airlines. We aren't friends, enemies, buddies, chums, cronies or anything like that. We are business partners for the duration of our contracts. Period.

Rick, don't go down the same road TonyWilliams did. Leave the insults out of this.

Hello McFly ;), That flying "Belongs" to DAL and DAL gave that flying to XJT. XJT did not "take" XJT flying. However with Skywest INC's "offer" they are taking the flying from XJT.

Maybe you don't fully understand grammatical constructs? Please notice the parantheses around the word "belongs"...do you understand what those symbols mean in this context?

Let me get this straight...

It's ok for XJT to do DAL flying in SLC, but it's NOT ok for SKW to DAL flying in LAX? Why didn't i hear all this protesting when the SLC stuff hapened?

Thats not what i meant, I meant Skywest INC is taking flying that XJT, under Contract with DAL to provide feed out of LAX and SLC, will take that flying and transfer that flying to Skywest. All while furloughing in theory, Skywest INC pilots(xjt) while another skywest inc subsidiary is hiring because they are short staffed. That is totally different and you are attempting compare apples to green beans. The flying that XJT is getting for DAL

exactly. Sounds pretty lame if you ask me

You got some nerve when your fellow pilots are about to get the shaft
with no KY you call that whining, how interesting. I for one hate to see any pilot group get a raw deal with the exception of mesa and thats the only exception.

I don't understand how SKW can alter the contract unless Delta was agreeable. I was also under the impression that DAL felt SkyWest (not the INC) already had as much flying as they were gonna get.

no one knows what delta thinks anymore. they change their regional feed goals on a whim it seems. xjt delta contract is up in the spring of 2010.

I agree that the whole deal does not appear to be up the highest ethical standards on the part of management, it is mildly annoying that they are threatening jobs as a negotiating tactic, and would be VERY disturbing if they actually followed through and put a bunch of pilots on the street just in order to shuffle flying around. I am a realist and quite pragmatic, but I hold out hope that jerry and co. would not go that far...I guess we're going to find out though.

The branded flying might be a different story...if it is not financially sound, then it might have to go away, regardless of who's running the show. I don't personnally have an opinion...my buddies there say it's losing money (who isn't these days), while folks on FI say they are making billions every week.

My irritation tonight stems from the attitude of some XJT folks towards the SKW pilot group...which really doesn't have anything to do with this. Especially junior XJT guys (post branded) who blithely took jobs at a company with known, significant risk factors. It's ok to make an informed decision and accept specific risk in exchange for possible returns...but some people apparently ignored the risk, got a rude awakening, and are now looking to vent. I don't like being the subject of unwarranted venting.

Well said.

Getting upset about this whole deal is warranted but getting upset at the SKW pilot group is not. Rickair can be my wingman any day. :p

Ric, our problem isn't with SKW pilots, its with you saying our flying for Delta is somehow Skywest's. What the hell are you talking about?