Thats a "JOB ACTION" and its illegal,. even though it is your contractual right not to pick up open time.................You can thank the Railway Labor Act, and your current administration :)

Back to GTA 4.........

ahhh Saab,

GTA 4 is a great way to get that anger out of your body;)

there is no way for you to prove if it is a job action or me being lazy. The ones that know me would always bet on lazy

Reeves

I have to agree really great advice, but what do I tell my good friend that upgraded 5 months ago just bought a house and a brand new car for himself and the wifey. I saw him at the liquor store last night and he wasn't looking too well. FO pay without extra flying or a second job will not cut it.

Good luckto all of us.

Tell him he's a dumbass. I just upgraded and bought a house, so I can sympathize, but even so the payment was only about $150/month more than I was paying for rent. Still driving the 10+ year old cars.


Agreed. If I don't lose my job I'm going to feel extremely fortunate. I can only hope the government will step in to help the airlines, they are vital to our national security and infrastructure.

Tell that to the guys on the street who have nothing. If they have to start cancelling flying like they did last time because they don't have staff, it's going to be really clear that they shouldn't have done a typical knee-jerk reaction that TSA is known for.

All the more reason to be responsible when you upgrade.

They did that once already. Don't think it'll happen again. Plus, the turmoil now is in the regional sector. The legacies already went through this post 9/11. There isn't one regional carrier that is vital to National Security and infastructure. Any regional can be replaced with another on short notice, and it is already happening. There are just too many vying to provide lift for the mainlines and they will undercut each other. Lowest operator wins. Sorry for the bad news. Now, if you're talking about AA or UAL going TU, that's another story altogether. That's where your NS and infastucture comes into play.

This probably won't be a popular post but I don't think we'll see as many furloughs at the regional and legacy level as many of you are thinking of and here are my reasons why.

First off we need to take into consideration the regional/major airlines that are going/have gone down. The industry could only support "X" amount of pilots in the current market. At least with the way business is being done. So far we've already seen thousands of pilots have the doors closed in their faces. We've had Skybus, ATA, EOS, Skyway, etc. already close up shop. Currently on the chopping blocks are Mesa and XJT though two completely different setups. With the closure of Mesa and the expected 700 furloughs as XJT that is another 1300ish pilots who are unfortunately released from their jobs.

All together that is a lot of business already sitting on the streets. Midwest is expected to follow shortly which could add additional relief to the industry, *note* that I'm not talking about the pilots but the industry.

With Mesa gone there's more UAL flying. XJT brings CAL flying, possibly DAL, with Skybus and ATA gone and possibly Midwest on it's way I feel we'll actually see growth at the regional level and possibly even on the major level. I feel the worst has passed on the Legacy level. It will just take a little time to filter through the system. New routes have to be analyzed, more efficient aircraft added to fleets, etc. The DAL/NWA merger is a great big step in the right direction as far as the grand scheme of things goes. There is still a large market that exists overseas for these guys that hasn't been tapped near as much as it could be.

My prediction is growth at the Major level for AMR(pulling pilots out of furlough), CAL(more domestic flying), and DAL/NWA(more international flying), SWA(routes picked up from others who didn't make it due to higher cost structure), with stagnation appearing at US Air and United. I think we'll see a decrease in flying from Air Tran, Allegiant, Spirit, and other airlines with a grasp on the weaker markets.

On the regional level I see greater use of larger regional aircraft. The value with the feeders is just that. Feeding the major lines. Not actually producing profit though it would be nice. Getting the pax to Houston so he can take the $1500 trip to Europe is where the money is. Given a little time I'm willing to bet you'll see an increase in flying from SKYW, RAH, Comair, PNCL, AE, Colgan, Mesaba, TSA/GoJet, Piedmont, PSA, and possibly Compass. XJT, Mesa, Air Whiskey, and Horizon I expect to see decreases in flying.

Personally I think CAL is sitting in the best Legacy position and feel that, unfortunately, Colgan is positioned to get a large boost in business with the Q400.

this is all just deja vu for us guys that were at trans states in 2005/2006. why do you think all you guys got hired in late 2006? it's because they did this exact thing and so many of us quit! then they suddenly needed people.

my advice to everyone is just to stay away from trans states holdings.

that being said, however, i'm sorry to hear it's happening again. i hope everyone it affects is able to get through it ok.

Depending on what oil does, this is probably not too far off. Midwest has some backers with deep pockets these days, so they might get floated for a while, rather than being allowed to expire.